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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The big deal is that there is no benefit for OP's kid, w/two shots and two covid infections. Only risk. Forcing it is unethical. There is no basis.

(See eg https://www.fda.gov/media/159007/download #38)[/quote]

I agree (I'm not the pp you quoted, but I'm the first respondent at 16:41 yesterday.)
But schools made their position on the vaccine known before decision day (May 1.)   As a pp noted, a few (like Rice and Vanderbilt) have actually walked back their requirement for a booster (I'm not aware of any schools that did NOT have a booster requirement on May 1, but have since mandated it.)

If it was important to someone to have a choice to not get the booster, they could have applied to many other schools that not only do not require the booster, but do not require the vaccine at all.  [/quote]

Yes!  Colleges can set their requirements.  You can choose not to attend if you don't want to follow it.  Colleges have had vaccination reqs for decades.  Some even require Meningitis B vax, others don't.  My kid can't attend most universities without the whole slew of vaccinations, similar to what was required in K-12 as well.  If you are a Health sciences major, you may have even more reqs.  My DC is employed at a company involved in the Healthcare industry, and guess what, since they have to travel to "healthcare sites", they are required to get a TB test done (and follow up with treatment I'd assume if they happen to test positive).  It's part of the job reqs.  Don't like it, they can find another job. Similarly they are required to be up to date on all other vaccines, including covid and a booster.   I for one would prefer anyone I might encounter in healthcare setting to be fully vaxed for all diseases.

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[b]+1 from college faculty.[/b]  Families who don't work in higher ed, use your imagination about the human petri dish that is a college campus.  Now multiply that by 100, stop washing your hands, and share your beverage with the 6 nearest people around you, even if you've never met them before.  Even before covid, college students were sick *constantly*.  Anything you can immunize against, do it, and any healthy behaviors you can promote (including basic things like nutrition and sleep), do it.

As PPs have said, families of rising college freshmen are completely free to decline admissions offers at any time from schools with whose policies (of any kind) they disagree.  And absolute truth to tell, as inconvenient or expensive or disappointing or frustrating or bait-and-switch or wasteful as it might seem, older students are also completely free to take a gap year or transfer out if they don't want their school's covid mandates.  No one is forcibly trapped in college.[/quote]

What subject do you teach in college?

Yes, college campuses are Petri dishes.  [b]However, the Covid vaccine and the Covid booster do NOT prevent transmit on of Covid. [/b] We have known that for a long time now.

How does mandating a Covid vaccine or booster help prevent the spread of Covid?  It does not.  [/quote]

This isn't true. Vaccines and boosters reduce the spread of Covid 19.

One study of households in Scotland found that vaccination reduces transmission by 40-50% among household members.

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298
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Yes, it does not reduce the transmission to 0% but it greatly reduces it.  If everyone had just gotten vaxed initially, covid would not have been allowed to mutate as much and we would be in a different place right now. Measles used to be a thing of the past in the USA (and much of the world), but as more people don't vax their kids, we have seen more outbreaks in the past 15 years. Same with Whooping cough---know a fully vaxed teen that had a nasty case 8 years ago when it went rampant in our community, not to mention how dangerous it was to any of the younger kids who got it who were not yet old enough to be fully vaxed against it. 
Herd immunity is a real thing, despite some people not wanting to believe in science.  [/quote]
Whooping cough has some interesting parallels to mRNA vax in that pertussis is also a subunit vaccine, where the vaccine seeks to provoke immunity to only a portion of the organism. (The whole-cell pertussis vax caused too many adverse events and had to be pulled.) The current pertussis vaccine provokes immunity to PRN. Pertussis then evolved around immunity to PRN, that is, PRN-deficient strains now dominate circulating pertussis even, or perhaps especially, among vaccinated individuals. See, e.g. [i]Pertactin-Deficient Bordetella pertussis, Vaccine-Driven Evolution, and Reemergence of Pertussis[/i] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8153889/[/quote]

You obviously know much more than me about this.  But I do know that medical staff are now encouraging the Pertussis vax every 5 years in 20 somethings.  My DC got the booster last year at 21 (10 years after the last dose as a kid/teen). Normally DTP (diphtheria, tetnus and pertussis) are supposed to be done every 10 years, if you didn't need a booster before that for Tetnus.  But the nurse/dr told my DC that they recommend every 5 years because 20 somethings will start to have friends who are having kids and it's incredibly important to make sure you don't give whooping cough to a child not fully protected yet (and it also protects the 20 something).  As I stated, our area has had a few [b]whooping cough outbreaks due to non-vaxers[/b] in the past 8 years, so they are more alert to issues than many areas may be.

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Yer drinkin the kool-aid, hon.

Whooping cough immunity from the vaccine wears off in almost everyone, so you can't blame "non-vaxers" for outbreaks. WC outbreaks happen every year, all over the U.S. They are small, but people get hysterical about them.

Recent research has show that immunity from tetanus vaccines lasts 20 years or more in some individuals. Getting immunized for tetanus every five years is insanity. It might make sense to get immunized more often for pertussis, but there's no individual pertussis vaccine that I know of. [/quote]

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