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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Does anyone know many points was saying yes to FARMS worth? [/quote]

90 points [/quote]

How many total possible points?[/quote]

Not sure what it means? I think they just added 90 points to total[/quote]

How many points were the other components worth? GPA. Essays etc [/quote]
300 GPA, 300 SPS, 300 Math/Science test. up to 225 additional experience points of which meals was 90.[/quote]
Stop lying on these threads.  GPA is only worth 37.5 points, with a minimum possible value of 262.5 through a maximum of 300.  The meals bonus was worth over twice as many points as the entire span from a 3.5 GPA through a 4.0.  [/quote]

Huh?[/quote]

According to the rubric that was made public as part of discovery during the ongoing lawsuit, the score for GPA is 75 * GPA.

Since there is a 3.5 minimum GPA required to be eligible to apply and a 4.0 maximum GPA based on how it was calculated for the purposes of the application, every student will have. GPA score between 262.5 and 300.

As such, the maximum difference in terms of GPA between any two applicants is 300 - 262.5 = 37.5.

To say that GPA is worth 300 points, while strictly true, is misleading, since every applicant earns at least 362.5 of those points.

Since the experience factors are worth either 45 or 90 points each, that means that a 3.5 GPA combined with any experience factor outweighs a 4.0 GPA with no experience factors. In other words, the experience factors are extremely valuable.[/quote]

Not that valuable. Only 12% of total possible score.

Almost irrelevant since almost everyone accepted had 4.0.

The high-point components of the application are:
300 for the SPS 
300 for the math/science essay

They comprise the vast majority of the applicant’s score. If a kid didn’t get in, they probably didn’t write an exceptional essay or portrait. 
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The total possible score is irrelevant and you're being intentionally misleading.

Consider two hypothetical students
Student A: 4.0 GPA, 4.5 on both essays, no experience factors: 840 points
Student B: 3.61 GPA, 4 on both essays, FRM: 840.75 points
In this hypothetical case, FRM makes up for a much weaker GPA *and* lower scores on both essays. In other words, Student A outscores Student B fairly significantly on all 3 core areas of the application but still loses out to Student B due to Student B's experience factor.

Even worse, consider these two: 
Student C: 4.0 GPA, 5 on both essays, no experience factors: 900 points
Student D: 3.9 GPA, 4.5 on both essays, FRM: 922.5 points
Student E: 3.8 GPA, 4 on one essay and 4.5 on the other essay, FRM: 885 points

Student C effectively has a perfect application - it can't be improved in any of the 3 core areas - but still loses out to Student D by a considerable margin and nearly loses out to Student E as well.

What should Student C's parents tell their child?[/quote]

+1. Even worse.  Let's say your hypothetical student A and student C are both taking Honors Algebra II in 8th grade, with straight As for all of their high school level math classes.  Also, both are in AAP classes in all core subjects.  Students B, D, and E are taking Honors Algebra I in 8th, and they're taking one regular level class among Science, History, or English.  The point totals would still all be exactly the same, since the kids aren't rewarded in any way for taking more advanced courses.  
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