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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Pay more 
Shrink class sizes
[b]Stop allowing inclusion [/quote][/b]

WUT? In violation of federal law? [/quote]

DP here, but I think it's pretty crazy that we expect teachers to handle such a broad range of abilities in one room, and that its become normal to empty a classroom because there is a child having a meltdown throwing things, who is a danger to themselves and others.  We've burdened our teachers with too much. [/quote]

We've burdened our teachers with parents like those on DCUM.  That's what we've done.  Instead of throwing out a bunch of bullsh8T suggestions based on what YOU as PARENTS want, if you want to make things better for teachers try asking TEACHERS what they want.

If I were an APS teacher with know-it-all parents like they have to deal with, not only would I quit -- I'd jump out the friggin window!![/quote]

Somebody needs a yoga class! It sounds like PP was being empathetic to teachers, not being a know it all! What has you so triggered?[/quote]

Because it's obvious to me that that poster is arguing against "inclusion" because SHE doesn't want it in her kid's classroom, and [i]I have no doubt that she's never spoken about the issue with any teacher.[/i]  I really doubt that teachers are leaving APS in droves in protest over the system's "inclusion" policies.  Cut me a break.[/quote]

DP. It's usually poor form to call out other kids as being disruptive balls of fury who are harmful to the learning environment.  It doesn't mean that some kids aren't a real problem for both the teachers and parents. [/quote]

Except we're supposed to be talking about teachers.  Not parents.  So, alleged DP, I will ask again:  how many teachers have you spoken to who have suggested that this is a major factor in their decision to leave APS?

I'm waiting.[/quote]

I am a teacher and pro-inclusion. I teach inclusion classes and see the benefits of inclusion on a daily basis. But, I also see the downsides. To an earlier poster's point, it is very challenging for teachers to work with students of such a broad range, but most of us are willing to put in the work to do that. Inclusion is a valuable tool in helping so many students, within a certain level of boundaries. However, these days it IS true that there are sometimes students put into a classroom with SEVERE behavioral issues who completely traumatize the teacher(s) and students. In cases like this, the school/county has to provide extensive documentation that the student needs to have a special placement and this can take years. This means that a teacher and the students in the classroom can be dealing with violence, destruction, screaming, spitting, you name it every day. Oftentimes, with little to no support from their administration or the district. I can name two teachers who have left their county and one teacher who has retired early after having a year with a student like that. All have been in elementary school. Unless you have experienced that yourself, it can be hard to imagine it would make you leave the career. But, it actually does in some of the worst cases.

I agree that there are many parents who are anti-inclusion due to selfish reasons for the wants of their own individual children. I think that shows an incomplete understanding of the true value of inclusion. However, there certainly are circumstances where inclusion is being implemented in an extremely inappropriate and harmful way. [/quote]

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