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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It boils down to abortion.

Anti abortion people are trying to get the camel's nose under the edge of the tent.  Personhood laws are just a first step.  If it's a person you can't abort it.

Same thing for the pill/IUD etc.  If life begins when the sperm meets the egg, then you can't support interfering with implantation.

Religious people can't compromise on when life begins. They can't give any deadline when eliminating a zygote is OK.  Because that would be admitting that there is [u]some [/u]deadline where eliminating a zygote is OK.

Now, why this concern for the unborn in a society that shows so little regard for the living?  That is another question.  Of course there's the adorable little baby factor.

But if you ask many feminists, they will go back to power, specifically sexual power, specifically the awesome power of life that women possess, and me do not.  Men's desire to own and control that power is what has defined gender roles and laws for millenia.

Basically I believe that allowing abortion acknowledges that females are the ultimate [u]earthly [/u]arbiters of life and death.  And no patriarchal religion, and no person indoctrinated by said religions, can tolerate that.  [/quote]

[b]So how do you explain women who are pro-life? [/b] Are we all indoctrinated and incapable of coming to a pro-life conclusion without being pressured by men? If that is what you believe, you have a pretty dim view of the intelligence of hundreds of thousands of women. [/quote]

I would say that you, like all women, are free to come to your own conclusions about abortion.  No one should ever force you to have an abortion.  Or to be pregnant.

I do believe that we are in part brainwashed by our patriarchal culture, yes.  I was baptized and confirmed and went to Catholic school with nuns for 13 years.  I know about indoctrination.  [/quote]

Liberal Catholic here.  I am pro-choice because, though I personally would not have an abortion, I realize that not everyone is Catholic and I think it should be a matter of personal conscience, not law.  I don't like the idea of legislating morality on an issue where there is not broad consensus.  And I don't like the idea of giving the government power to weigh the rights of women vs. their unborn children.  They're bound to screw it up.  Just don't have an abortion if you're Catholic, leave government out of it.[/quote]

Poster you are responding to.  I agree completely.  I don't like abortion and wouldn't have one.  And I've had an unwanted pregnancy.  But I cannot dictate that to others.  And I will not sit by and watch it be dictated to other women.  Including my daughter who was not planned, but is loved.  [/quote]

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