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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Remember when Obama was one of the only members to vote against the bill which would mandate giving babies born alive after an abortion proper medical care?

Happened at Christ Hospital in IL.

He was one of the only members to vote against it. [/quote]

You are misrepresenting Obama's position here. While Obama was in the Illinois Senate, he voted against a a bill that would give aborted fetuses that showed signs of life full legal protections even if doctors believed they could not survive. Obama's vote was in committee and the bill was defeated in that committee. However, Obama's position was not in support of withholding medical care in such circumstances. Rather, the bill would have impacted the legality of abortions in Illinois. Indeed, the bill was later amended to make clear that it would not affect the legality of abortion and was passed into law. [b]Obama was not in the Illinois Senate at that time, but says he would have supported it.[/b]

Your claim that Obama was "one of the only members to vote against it" is disputable. [b]Obama was in the majority,[/b] otherwise the bill would have passed. So, he certainly was not one of the only members of the committee. 
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I found a more thorough and factual compilation of Obama's position here:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/
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Where are the discrepancies? That article says the same thing.
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Obama voted against "born alive" laws in Illinois in 2001 and 2002.  In 2002, the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act was passed 
by UNANIMOUS CONSENT by the Senate and signed into law by then-President Bush.

In February 2003, the Illinois Senate again considered a state version of the "born alive" law, identical to the federal law.  AGAIN, Obama voted against it.

That is a serious discrepancy.  Obama angrily tried to say that people were "lying" about his voting record;  he has tried to present the facts as you did, Jeff. He was eventually forced to backtrack.  Here is a summary of his votes, and a timeline:

http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/02/links_to_barack.html

That is two discrepancies:  he did, in fact, vote against the federal version of the law while in the Illinois senate, for one, and for another, his personal position is in the vast minority.  Even NARAL stayed neutral on the federal law (grudgingly), and to be to the left of NARAL in terms of abortion support is to be really out there.

What is most creepy to me are his personal, public arguments against "born alive" laws.  He said that to provide medical care to an infant who survived an abortion would be a "burden" to the mother's "original decision.". In other words, he argued that once a woman chooses to abort her child, she has the right to see her abortion completed, even after birth.

Read his own words about this issue--they're public record.[/quote]

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