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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Given all the terrible and hateful stuff people do in the name of religion, my vote is no, there’s no difference. [/quote]

I think people do a lot more good in the name of religion than bad. [/quote]

Whereas "doing good in the name of Satan" is simply contradictory and impossible by definition.[/quote]

It isn't, actually. Satanists define the primary virtues as personal freedom, materialism, kindness for the virtuous, intelligence, knowledge, and "doing unto others as they do to you." It's pretty American, all told. [/quote]

You can’t possibly claim to speak for all Satanists. Maybe just for the fake Satanists (who don’t really believe in it all) who are trolling religion. But there are plenty of Satanists who do actually think evil (however you define that) is a “good” thing. [/quote]

I find it amusing that you (a Christian?) are trying to define who is a "real Satanist" and who isn't.  The Satanic virtues are pretty much the same ideas for both atheist Satanists and religious Satanists. [/quote]

Oh really? You’re the one who tried to give Satanism a narrow scope.

Why are you lying so transparently?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-devil-you-know-the-satanic-cult-leader-who-loved-animal-sacrifices-orgies-and-murder
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2016/03/13/officials-probe-satanic-animal-sacrifices-on-long-island/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ctpost.com/policereports/amp/Cops-Rooster-burned-in-apparent-satanic-ritual-4009133.php
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/the-work-of-the-devil/amp/

Just the first few hits that came up, there are plenty more. [/quote]

And in the 80s, people were sure Satanists were running day care rings.  It's all fear mongering nonsense. [/quote]

No, those are news articles with evidence of people who worship Satan killing people. I don’t think the people who were killed and their families think satanic killings are nonsense. [/quote]

Those aren't"news articles" and aren't even evidence that satanic cults killed these people. Read the links and then do some more googling on the perpetrators and victims.

Briefly, the first guy was a psychopath. If you read about the poor guy Mark Killroy, the people who tortured and killed him were not "satanists." They were a murderous group/cult involved in drug smuggling, magic spells and something closer to voodoo.

I think actual cults of people who worship Satan and murder people are non-existent or rare.[/quote]

Found the apologist for Satanic killers. Dude just stop. [/quote]

+1. They were followers of Satan, full stop. If you want to let the psychopath off for being a psychopath, then you’re going to have to let abusive Christians (since you hate Christians so much) off too, and I’m sure you don’t want to go there. [/quote]

I looked at the links. The Long Island piece mentions evidence of animal killing that mostly link to Santeria and Palo Mayombe--these sects have nothing to do with Satanism. The one self-proclaimed Satanist and his gf were charged with murder that may have had nothing to so with the religion, from what I read there were 2 buried bodies of guys they knew but no indication said bodies were used in rituals--the rest was stuff he had made claims about but no specific evidence found.

As I recall, legal disputes related to Santeria (and probably Palo) boil down to laws ad ordinances prohibiting animal slaughter outside of a licensed slaughter operation. Halal and Kosher slaughter (which, btw, have been prohibited in some places over animal welfare concerns since animals are not stunned first, although temple grandin prescribes a procedure without stunning she regards as humane (upright positioning of the animal rather than hanging upside down as slaughterers typically do). The chickens are probably killed the same way our rural forebears killed their own chickens for food (in factory processing, the chickens are first given an electric shock, which is probably no fun for them either).

As for what is (or could be) "bad" about Satanism, libertarians can be assholes sometimes and their politics, when teamed up with GOPs (who have the numbers) are awful. And committing terrible crimes is terrible. And maybe some antisocial people who also commit crimes latch on to the Church of Satan thing for its perceived antisocial impact and perhaps also to get some privileges in prison without having to go evangelical.

Some fundamentalist Christians regard practices like meditation and yoga to be invitations for the devil to enter a person's soul, and some Christians believe fervently in the concept that the devil leads people astray, etc etc. Even atheism (without a Satan component) is beyond their ken, really--anytime I have had a conversation with a Christian about atheism their immediate reaction is "what about the afterlife???" and "without God to judge you, atheists have no moral compass!"

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