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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because it works.

Women can be very successful socially if they find ways to discredit or diminish other women around them. Women are discouraged from being direct or aggressive, so they use indirect methods like gossip, gaslighting, and exclusion, which are actually more effective because it’s harder to defend against.

Many men are misogynist but I know very few men who are actually mean to women. And they are too socially simple to understand how these indirect means of aggression work. But I know many women like this.

Even on these boards, women are mean in devious ways. Often the cruelest comments are couched as “you need help” or “wow no I have never had this problem, maybe there is something wrong with you.” Statements that are devastating but also have somewhat plausible deniability about intent (I was trying to help, I was just being honest, etc.). I think many of the women who act this way do not even understand this behavior to be mean and competitive, they’ve been so indoctrinated into it by female family members and friends.[/quote]

You excuse a lot of terrible behavior from men. [/quote]

I'm not excusing any behavior from men. I'm not saying men are great or that women are worse, or saying that anything men do is okay. I think responding to a discussion about the bad behavior of women towards other women by saying "But what about men" is a pretty classic case of whataboutism that fails to address a real issue.

The truth is that many men get away with being Good Guys (TM) without having to be be overtly misogynist or mistreat women because women are all too happy to reinforce the patriarchy themselves. I've seen it many, many times. Women will treat each other like garbage, often using the status of their fathers or husbands to assert their status within groups of women. And those fathers and husbands can then claim to support and care about women, even to be feminists, because they support the advancement of their wives and daughters. Trump is an obvious example but I've seen it in my own life. One of the most competitive, meanest women I've ever known was just an upper middle class lady who though that being married to a well-off corporate lawyer meant that she could treat other women like idiot children. And she and her husband would both describe themselves as feminists. Meanwhile they will both talk trash about other women's appearances, criticize women for not "choosing" better partners, etc. But because this guy supports his wife (who doesn't support anyone) they get to pretend they are progressives slaying the patriarchy. They are the patriarchy!

Women help uphold the patriarchy all the time and if we don't call them out on it, it will just keep happening. You can pretend this is a men vs. women thing, but [b]it's absolutely a rich white person vs. everyone else thing[/b], actually.[/quote]

Why the anti-White racism and misandry?  Where do people learn this hateful, ignorant stuff? [/quote]

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