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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Moth Catholic Churches do a pretty good job of not being too overtly political in my view.  Individual Catholics aside, I am talking about the priests and the general parish culture.

By the way, PP, Jesus said "render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”  Christianity was and is revolutionary.  But "political and revolutionary"?  Nope.  Go read also the discussion between Jesus and Pilate in the Gospel of John.

If you want to be political, then be political.  But don't make your politics a false idol or twist Our Lord into some sort of proto-marxist.  [/quote]
Acts of the Apostles Ch2:
44All who believed were together and had all things in common; 45they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds* to all, as any had need

Isn't that Marxism? 🤔 Oh I will wait for the inevitable 'but but but that's different' which is always the go to for the Christian conservative.[/quote]

I don't recall anything in that passage about them giving all of their money to Rome and then vaguely hoping Rome would use it wisely.

In any event this is a long debate but we are Catholic.  Catholicism has a pretty clear and long intellectual tradition.  Was every Catholic intellectual from the founding of the Church until the development of Marxist doctrine just totally wrong?  That seems odd.  What about all the encyclicals specifically addressing socialist doctrine.  Were they all wrong too?  [/quote]

Specious argument.  "Every Catholic intellectual from the founding of the Church until the development of Marxist doctrine..." doesn't need to be "just totally wrong" for loyalty to the Church to be a bad idea.

This comes across as an overstatement made to stop a legitimate conversation.  So what if Catholicism has had a "pretty clear and long intellectual tradition"?  It also has a long history of child rape and cover up and that is always more important than any good the church or any entity has ever done.[/quote]

It also comes across as an excuse to stay in an abusive, sick relationship -- "He beats me but I love him and he keeps a roof over my head."[/quote]

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