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Asian kids get to grow up in way better and safer environments than kids of other racial groups. It’s not even close. [/quote]

Well, better yes. Safer? Not really.  A case in point - two homes on the same street. Similar HHI and SES,, each home has a kid, both same age, both going to same school. Parents are equally educated in both cases. One kid is my Asian-American kid the other kid is not Asian-American.  My kid is considered privileged because his parents are married whereas the other kids parents divorced a few years back.  I get up at 5 am to cook for the day, the other mom orders in food.  I clean my own house, the other mom is always sipping wine on her patio while a cleaning lady is cleaning her home. I take my kid for scholastic competitions and the other mom has BBQ and beer in the backyard.  My kid does well in school and the other kid could not care less. My kid does not get everything he wants because we are saving for college, the other kid gets all the electronics and smart phone you can think of. My kid wears hand me downs from his cousins, the other kid only wears brand-name stuff.  My kid excels in academics and ECs, the other kid is troubled and chooses not to attend classes.  The other kid's home has CCTV, Ring, Alarm Service.  It is more secure and safe than Fort Knox.   So his environment is safer.  Maybe he and his family think that their life is also better?  Maybe they think that his future is brighter?  I don't know.  What I do know that it is insulting to call the sacrifices of the parents as a privilege. Everyone can make these sacrifices for their children as no one is stopping them from doing so. No one is also forcing them to have children if they are incapable of raising them.  The parents can use their human brain instead of their  animal brain and make the simple choice to put their kid first. We are not talking about kids in ghettos who are scrambling to survive.

But sure, it was a grand nefarious plan of Asian parents to create a healthy home life for their children. O, Shoot me,  for giving a damn for my child.  Sorry for knowing how to cook rice three different ways!! :roll: [/quote]

DP: I don't disagree with some of your points, but I question your stereotypical treatment of others and neglect of discussion of the more prevalent systemic factors involved in discrimination and racism.  And, also, like it or not, at least [b]one principle guiding policies in the US is to try to give each CHILD an equal opportunity, less dependent on what their parents do. [/b] Does this sometimes reward poor parental decisions? Yes. But it does act as a small counter to the idea that your parents' sacrifices/assets/choices/strengths determine your outcome.  [/quote]

Well, an Asian-American kid can ask for no more. All that kid wants is an equal opportunity from the schools, colleges and employers. And let it not be dependent on what sacrifices their  parents make. If you are not asking for other parents of other races to make the sacrifices for their children, then why ask that of Asian-American parents? And why penalize their children if the parents do make the sacrifice?

Asian-American students are also children and are also under all kinds of stress.  They are no less precious than other children. A brain is a terrible thing to waste but there is no shame in wasting the brains of Asian-Americans. [/quote]

Nobody is saying they are any less precious or don't have equal opportunity.  If an Asian-American kid is first generation to go to college, they will get resources allotted for first generation to go to college the same as anyone else.  If an Asian-American kid is in a low-income family they will get the resources allotted for low income families.    Schools that seek affirmative action (and it is fairly rare and by law quite limited) have a goal of representing full racial, geographic and economic diversity of the US population--Asian Americans of all backgrounds, locations etc. included. That is allowed to be a limited goal.   In this case, the thing that some schools are deciding is not to have solely a test or grade based meritocracy (esp. since tests aren't very predictive and grades can be subjective). And it can make sense even in a meritocracy (which the US is not): There is no universal truth that working really hard for an exam score tells you anything except that you will work really hard for an exam score.  It's not some secret metric of merit.  Likewise for grades.  There IS no perfect measure of merit.

At varying times in US institutions there has been systematic discrimination against Asians, just as there has been at time systematic discrimination against Blacks, Jews, Hispanics, rural populations, urban populations, lower income people, Catholics, etc.  Systematic discrimination on the basis of race is never fair and should be rooted out.  But policies that make public goods more equitably accessible are fair even if it makes some people believe  the school should values something different than they think it should value.  If it's a public school, you vote to change policies. If it's a private school you go elsewhere (or challenge the policy in court if you think it's discriminatory).[/quote]

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