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Atheists should rather worry about the kind of people they hope to attract to their community when they mock religion. Truly compassionate, generous, gentle, kind and forgiving people won't be attracted to a group that mocks others.
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As someone who ran from the debris of the 2nd plane crash on 9/11, I won't hear about the compassion of the religious.

I also won't create a giant wall of text about religious atrocities but here is a link if you want.  By the way, these are just atrocities committed in the name of religion, and does not include atrocities committed by states that had a religion, of which there are many more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence#

You should stop this argument.  It is a 1,000-1 loser for your side.  Also, atheists are not mocking religion.  We don't think any god exists.  That's it.[/quote]

“Religious violence does not exclusively include acts which are committed by religious groups, instead, it includes acts which are committed against religious groups.“ From your Wikipedia link. Really you aren’t serious, you can’t be. I hear about the high intelligence and sharp debate skills and sterling wit and plethora of facts atheists and anti-theists supposedly have at hand while having a go at religion online,  and I am sorry, but I just don’t see it. At all. [/quote]

DP. I’ve often said, DCUM needs to upgrade its atheists. I’ve had great, provocative conversations with really smart atheists and remained friends with them. DCUM’s atheists are a bunch of snarky bullies who make up facts (“99% of atrocities,” “1000-1 loser” right above) apparently at whim and never with any decent cites. [/quote]

My sister is married to an atheist, and he’s a nice person. She is religious but not deeply religious; they have a good marriage and he doesn’t object at all to her beliefs, nor she, his lack of beliefs. They love each other and are raising the kindest little boy ever. He doesn’t believe in a God or gods, and has some serious objections to religious institutions, and I respect his opinions. He’s got some valid objections to religious institutions that I can’t disagree with at all, but also, he doesn’t paint religion as having no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I firmly respect his beliefs. I have never tried to convert him to Christianity. He has examined his own beliefs and is intelligent, and I don’t have any interest in alienating him, or causing issues in family relationships. However, he displays the same respect back to people who do have religious beliefs, all religious beliefs. His dad is a Buddhist and a pacifist; his mom is somewhat of a pagan and doesn’t celebrate any holidays that are traditional to most Americans. We don’t heavily discuss religion or politics, because people are more than that, and family is more important than those things.

I don’t think the people here who mock religion, call religious people dumb, or are constantly rude and denigrate other religions are actually atheists. I believe they are anti-theists, which are different as they believe religion has no redeeming qualities at all. I also believe they hide the fact they are anti-theist and make atheists look rude and mean and bullying. One can be anti-theist and believe religion is a negative factor in the world, but be honest about it. Don’t hide behind atheism. Also, if you come to a religion forum, you will see people who are religious. Getting offended is ridiculous.

The anti-theists here do mock religious people and religion, and then deny it despite all evidence. Sometimes I think they are deliberately trying to provoke another poster into losing their temper and “damning them to hell” and saying unkind things about people who are unbelievers.

I grow more sure through my discussions here with atheists/anti-theists that my beliefs are valid. Not to say my religion is the “right one,” but the right one for me. So thank you, atheists and anti-theists of dcum, for allowing me to be renewed in belief through dialogue with you. However, being rude and bullying will never get you or your movement anywhere. I don’t think religion is perfect, I know churches are not perfect, I believe Christians are not perfect and will never be. I don’t like it when Christians are mean, rude, bullying, etc, and I know it just drives people away from God and Jesus and any hope of building a connection to people when Christians act that way. And no matter what, people are deserving of respect. Full stop. [/quote]

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