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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The other way around is probably William and Mary in Virginia. [b]The school has seen falling applications,[/b] drops in rankings, etc. but is still perceived as very prestigious by older individuals.

Miami of Ohio and University of Vermont followed the same trajectory, only a generation earlier. At some point time catches up and colleges can't rely on historic perceptions to recruit students when they have nothing else to show for it. [/quote]

Incorrect.  From 2004-2005 to 2020-2021, William and Mary had an 81% increase in applications with increases in applications in 14 of the 16 years.  This year had a 23% increase in applications.

You are correct that William and Mary has had some decline in the USNWR national university ranking, where it went from 31 to 39 from 2004 to 2020, but it isn't alone.  UVA went from 21 to 26th during the same period.  USNWR is somewhat problematic for William and Mary because some of the ratings like financial resources are positively influenced by having medical schools and engineering schools, which William and Mary does not have, unlike almost all of the schools above it in the rankings.  It has, however, remained close to the top and is currently 4th in quality of undergraduate teaching. [/quote]

It not having an engineering school and medical school counts against it in the ranking, but it does so in reality as well, so you are only just supporting my argument.

This is the 21st century when healthcare and technology sectors are the driving forces of the economy. 
Schools like MIT and Stanford have become as renowned as Harvard and perhaps surpassed Princeton & Yale due to their strengths in engineering and sciences.

Miami of Ohio is another school that doesn't have a medical or engineering school. It's also ranked very highly in the "undergraduate teaching" list. That's a bit meaningless in terms of prestige though. Looks like W&M is facing the same issue.

UVA dropped in the same period, it's also weak in engineering and sciences. Again, just adding to my point.

Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan and Georgia Tech have either stayed the same, or increased. Same for UT-Austin.[/quote]

You can argue all you want that I supported your point, but when you start with the completely erroneous claim that applications have declined when in fact they have risen for 14 of the last 16 years and rose 23% this year, you have clearly undermined yourself and any subsequent claims you make.  You need to own your mistakes and misstatement rather than trying to deflect.

You don't get any facts straight before you post.  You say Miami of Ohio doesn't have an engineering school.  That is wrong.  You suggest Miami of Ohio and the University of Vermont were highly ranked (by US News) but they never were.  They appeared in a book called The Public Ivies from the 1980s, but that was really just the view of one person and was never reflected in US News.

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I love the way you argue![/quote]

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