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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP, I was just thinking that this morning.

Seems like people should take into account the trickle down of good students. As the number of applicants to top schools has increased while the number of spots has remained constant, kids that in the past would have gotten into Ivies are now going one tier down. The second tier kids are now going third tier and on and on. There are plenty of smart kids at all of the top 100 schools so we need to rethink how we perceive certain schools. 
Something that I remember hearing back when I was touring colleges - schools that are in good locations attract good professors. So even if you may think Northeastern isn't so great, Boston can attract good profs. [/quote]

Agreed. For national universities, maybe something like this: tier 1 = top 10; tier 2 = 11-25ish. That said, placed in the context of 4000 colleges, anyone attending one of these colleges is attending an elite institution. The notion that smart kids are only at Ivies is nonsense. [/quote]
The top 25 schools being tier 2 is laughable and tone-deaf. But either way, some of you don't seem to remember there are 3 ivy league schools in the 11-25 section. But some of you would still rate schools like Vandy and Gtown lower than Cornell just because Cornell is an ivy, it's hypocritical.  [/quote]

NP here. As a Georgetown alum I rate Vandy and Georgetown below Cornell because that is where every single ranking (including US NEWS) puts those universities when comparing universities on a global basis.

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-ranking...world-university-rankings/2021 
(Cornell #19, Vanderbilt #187, Georgetown #230)

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-univers...ank/sort_order/asc/cols/stats. 
(Cornell #19, Vanderbilt #111, Georgetown #120))

Even USNEWS has Cornell at #22 globally, while dropping Vanderbilt to #72 and Georgetown to #322
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/rankings

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The reason Cornell was brought into the conversation was to dispute the notion that Vanderbilt is a regional school. The point was made that every school, even the best, have a strong regional pull. Cornell’s student body is one-third New York State and no one considers it a regional school. Arguing that Cornell is an international school further makes the point. By comparison, Vanderbilt admits nowhere near one-third of its students from Tennessee. Earlier posters never intended to compare Vanderbilt and Cornell beyond this perspective, as they are very dissimilar schools. Cornell is a much larger, science-focused school that will have a larger research reach, precisely because of those characteristics. [/quote]

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