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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]An Indiana school shut down the same day they reopened.

There were 80+ cases amount campers and staff in one section of a camp in Missouri.

Texas has over 1,300 cases linked to daycares.

250/600 kids who were only at camp 4 days in Georgia tested positive; the numbers will likely be higher after 2-14 days for incubation.

We KNOW kids are germ factories.  We KNOW they have poor personal hygiene habits.  We know they put things in their mouths and touch their faces.  We know they share food and utensils, whisper in other kids’ ears and have no comprehension of personal space.  We know they do impulsive, foolish, childish things... because they’re children!

NO child should be in daycare or school.  NO child should be at activities.  I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend.  Even when kids are asymptomatic (especially when they’re asymptomatic!), they spread the virus everywhere.[/quote]

Look a little more closely at the Texas numbers https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/06/health/texas-coronavirus-cases-child-care-facilities/index.html

894 staff and 441 children from 883 facilities. That’s not indicating that the kids are the main vectors. Think about how a class is set up with multiple children per adult. If the kids were spreading you would see the number of infected kids being 2-5x the number of adults and the number of impacted center being much lower than the number of cases. This looks more like the result of people contracting the virus in the community and they just happen to work/attend daycare. The studies tell us that kids have a lot of virus and are potentially contagious, but that doesn’t mean they are actually spreading effectively. 
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Well, someday, when we know for sure, then we can make an educated decision about what is and isn't safe.[/quote]

The problem with that approach is that parents need childcare NOW. We don't need to have overnight camp or soccer leagues and I certainly don't think that sending all kids everywhere to K-12 in September is a good idea, but saying that NO child should be in daycare ignores both the realities of making a living and the actual lived experience of daycares that have been operating safely this whole time. [/quote]

The approach should be financially baking parents and employers so the vast majority stay home.  [b]It also stands to reason that the reason that overall there have been few outbreaks from daycares and schools, is because there has been few people in them.[/b][/quote]

DP, but the bolded just is not true.  Essential childcare in Maryland, for example, has been operating for five months, overwhelmingly safely.  Of course there are outbreaks at camps and in daycares where *adults* in particular are not wearing masks, distancing, etc.--both at work and at home.

There absolutely are ways to provide childcare that minimize risk to children and adults.  The JAMA Pediatrics study doesn't say anything about actual disease transmission; it's about viral load.  Maybe kids need much higher viral loads to be symptomatic or even develop COVID, regardless of exposure to SARS-CoV2.  That's another interpretation of the data, though it's as politically exciting as "kids spread the virus more than adults" (and if you think scientific publication isn't partially politically motivated, you know very little about the process).[/quote]

I was not aware daycare has been running at full/normal capacity for the last 5 months.[/quote]

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