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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]In the ongoing attempt to keep my kids from turning into loony-tune leftists at the hands of their "education," I find people like Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh and Dennis Prager to be very helpful.  They know how to present material to appeal to teens and are smart enough to shut down any liberal/ leftist position.[/quote]
Wow, are there books in your world?[/quote]

+1  Parenting fail.  [/quote]

Well, since you guys brought up books... Ben just published a new one:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48929883-how-to-destroy-america-in-three-easy-steps[/quote]

"Traditional areas of civic agreement are vanishing. We can’t agree on what makes America special. We can’t even agree that America is special. We’re coming to the point that we can’t even agree what the word America itself means. “Disintegrationists” say we’re stronger together, but their assault on America’s history, philosophy, and culture will only tear us apart."

Here's a traditional area of civic agreement: doing your part to stop spreading germs.   [/quote]

There is more than one way to do that, along with side effects of actions that must be considered. You are illustrating Ben's point that just because we don't agree on "the how", your take is that those that don't agree with you simply do not want to stop the spread of germs. [/quote]

Is there a secret right wing alternative to stopping the spread of coronavirus that is being assiduously practiced behind my back?  I don't think so.  People are choosing to ignore the recognized methods.

[b]Ben's point is specifically that we can't agree on what makes America special or if it is special at all.  It's right there in black and white.[/b]  Its absurd to think that your children benefit from somebody convincing them of this.  Instead, they should be reading history and making their own judgments about it.  You want them to be indoctrinated into conservatism, instead of forming their own opinions based on a solid knowledge of our history.[/quote]

Are you saying that this is not true? Is it not true that Democrats now ridicule American Exceptionalism? Is it not true that it is a Democratic refrain that America was never great? Is it not true that Democrats, through efforts like the 1619 project, cast the US as being founded on the original sin of slavery and is it not true that through supporting movements like BLM, the proposed solution is to tear it all down "root and branch" and rebuilt from the ground up? This is simply an observation of fact, my children don't have to be convinced of it. They are inculcated by their schools to be ashamed of their country, to see patriotism and nationalism as evil devices of the right. What I've had to do is teach my kids to be proud of this great nation, to teach them that despite its many flaws, it is the best country to have ever been created by man. Of all the classes they take, civics and history are the only ones I do study sessions with them, to ensure that they see not only the mistakes we've made in our past, but also marvel at the genius of the men that formed our government and set in motion the course of history that leads to the present, with all of our achievements and faults. [/quote]

Well obviously I hit the bullseye on this.   You are obviously preoccupied with ensuring that their impression of America matches yours.  American Exceptionalism is dogma.  You can believe that America is great without swallowing the whole thing. [/quote]

Hit the bullseye? It's a foreign concept to you that parents provides the context and informs the worldview of the kids they raise? Do you also jump into the ocean and is super proud that you found water? If American Exceptionalism is dogma, then what does that say about Obama? American exceptionalism isn't about America being perfect. Learning about America's history involves learning bout the whole thing, and not just some small aspect of it. [/quote]

No it is not a foreign concept. Using pundits to do it is. [/quote]

So... don't listen to experts on a subject/topic? Is that your position? By the way, I don't tell my kids to listen to Ben Shapiro, they are way too young to be immersed in politics. I do teach them civics and history. Imagining things and attributing them to others is not a healthy mental state. [/quote]

No, that is not.  And btw either you said "In the ongoing attempt to keep my kids from turning into loony-tune leftists at the hands of their "education," I find people like Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh and Dennis Prager to be very helpful. They know how to present material to appeal to teens and are smart enough to shut down any liberal/ leftist position."  Or you are a new poster who jumped in and didn't identify yourself.  [/quote]

Well, that's one of the pitfalls of an anonymous forum. I jumped in with the post starting with "Are you saying that this is not true?" You never know who you are replying to.[/quote]

If you do that, you write "np here".  np= new poster.  pp = previous poster.  op = original poster[/quote]

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