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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Your cartoon is totally irrelevant because Dawkins isn’t using those particular definitions.

Dawkins uses a different definition, which is theological not epistemological or cartoonish. By his theological definition he’s agnostic not atheist.

This is why he intentionally, carefully, clarified that “de facto” means “in effect”, not “in fact” like you tried to translate.  You tried to totally wipe out the nuance that Dawkins used so carefully.[/quote]

Nope.  He is using those distinctions, with different terms.  They are equal.

Your comment that “[b]de facto” means “in effect”, not “in fact”[/b] is pretty damned funny.  I'll accept either!  If you are trying to say "de-facto atheist" means "not atheist" though, you are carrying the bag at the back of the horse there.

You are trying to paint "atheist" into the corner to share the burden of proof.  No go there pal. It's on you.

Have a  nice day!

Signed,

Atheist and Agnostic (like virtually all atheists).[/quote]

Happy to “go there” and get proof. Easily done, and from one of your own posts, where you quote Dawkins as saying “a de-facto atheist would be someone who lives their life [b]as if [/b]there is no supernatural being.”  Not lives “in fact” as an atheist. Words matter.

Also, at the debate at 20:57, Dawkins himself says he’s agnostic not atheist. He doesn’t use your terminology about being an “agnostic atheist.” Since we’re talking about Dawkins’ self-identification here, this seems pretty darn relevant.

At the end of the day, though, you’ve moved from calling Dawkins an “atheist” in multiple posts at the beginning of this thread. Now you’re qualifying him and yourself as “agnostic atheists”. That’s progress![/quote]

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