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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Dh and I really want a fun 4 door (we have 2 in car seats) stick shift and we’ve been thinking about a Jeep rubicon Or Sahara. We want something fun to drive as our second car and we also do a lot of hauling/ off roading. Our #1 is getting a fun manual car. These are really popular in the DC area. Anyone love or hate theirs?[/quote]

We bought our son a Wrangler (I know it's not the model you're considering) and he LOVES it!  Prior to purchasing the jeep we consulted a good friend who is a mechanic and he gave it the thumbs up.  Whatever model you get I would suggest that you make yourself familiar with all of the features and use them--take those doors off and enjoy the open air.  Jeeps are fun, fun, fun!  I admit that on the rare occasion my son needs to trade vehicles with me I'm a happy camper since I get to drive his jeep.  [/quote]

The models greatly vary. Getting a sport, in less you are going to modify it, makes no sense as it doesn't do much.[/quote]

False. A bone stock Wrangler is a plenty capable off roader. [/quote]

Yes, it is. A bone stock Wrangler is capable of running trails that would exclude almost every other 4x4 on earth, except for modified or Rubicon Wranglers, current generation G-Wagons, or modified Toyotas. It's certainly far more capable than "soft-roaders" like Range Rovers or other luxury SUVs. [/quote]

It’s very basic.  It cannot do more than dirt roads in less it is modified.   It does not have the same or even close to the rubicon. 
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You're talking completely out of your ass. You have no idea WTF you're babbling about. Leave this discussion to the people here who've actually owned Jeeps and have actually driven them off road. Because that ain't you.

The only real differences between a stock Wrangler and a Rubicon are the locking diffs, electronic sway bar disconnects, the tires, and the transfer case gear ratio. Other than that, they're identical vehicles.

Those four factors DO make a considerable contribution to off-road performance, but only in circumstances such as really, really difficult rock-crawling situations. And since literally no other factory built vehicle could match a Rubicon, it's sort of a pointless distinction anyway.

I've personally driven a bone-stock rental Wrangler (a TJ and JK) over the Rubicon Trail twice. When I say bone-stock, I mean right down to the factory Goodyear GS-A tires. The only options either had were tow hooks and TracLoc LSRD. I needed a tug one time in the TJ at Big Sluice, and a couple times in the JK at Gatekeeper (it was wet from rain. In dry conditions it would've easily walked it). I've also driven stock rental Wranglers at Moab too many times to count.

Go ply your BS someplace else where you won't run into people who know better. [/quote]

I own a Rubicon JL.  Good Try.  They are extremely basic, and sure they will work but they are not much different than an AWD SUV.  JLs have a lot more than the JK's.[/quote]

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