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Not the PP you're slamming.  I like posts that present the unvarnished truth about schools that have become heavily UMC quickly, however inconvenient and non PC the sentiments expressed might be.

[b]There's no denying that poor kids are doing a lot better collectively in KIPP type charters than in traditional public schools.[/b] This issue isn't race, it's class in a city with vast income disparities.

Unless DCPS is willing to get more adults in the buildings and to pay for extended day and year options for poor kids in traditional public schools with support from the teachers union (not happening) these problems, and solutions, are real. You can pretend they aren't real to suit your politics, PP, without anybody benefiting.[/quote]

You seem confused and to be presenting a false dichotomy.

Kids don't do better in heavily segregated schools where everyone is poor.  Research is clear on that.  What the PP that I was responding to was arguing against however, was not that.

PP was concern trolling that poor kids will be overwhelmed and socially outcast going to good schools with wealthy students ("...at-risk kids pretty clearly belong in schools set up to serve needy kids, vs. schools serving hundreds of UMC students".  This is an explicit call for segregation, and presents as undisputed fact a fringe assertion that's 100% disproved by all evidence over the past 60 years.

This exact argument was made in the 50s as a reason not to de-segregate schools, and it was widely recognized as what it is: paternalistic and racist (in that it assumes poor kids can't handle going to wealthy, high achieving schools).  Since that time, mountains of evidence have shown that going to integrated, well functioning schools is the single best thing for poor kids from segregated schools.  Integrating local schools and also busing -- which racists succeeded in branding as a failure -- worked, absolutely and indisputably in terms of improving outcomes for black kids and communities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/10/23/forced-busing-didnt-fail-desegregation-is-the-best-way-to-improve-our-schools
https://chalkbeat.org/posts/us/2019/07/01/busing-for-school-integration-succeed-work-research/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kamala-harris-joe-biden-busing-louisville_n_5d2ceff0e4b0bca60364197f

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So DCs policy is to flood poor kids to the struggling to succeed middle class schools. It shouldn’t just be about what is best for those poor kids that disputes all that fiddling will still mostly fail. [b]You act like is the middle class would just lend a hand the poor kids will jump to success. Maybe a percentage point or two but what cost for still amount to mostly failure.[/b]

Yes hunger people do better when people hand them sandwiches, but when the sandwiches stop most of them will still be hungry.[/quote]

[b]I[/b] don't [b]"act like"[/b] anything.  [b]The data shows[/b] that integrating schools is the single most effective intervention for narrowing the achievement gap.  I get that you don't like this, but re-framing what the data shows as if it were my opinion, and then arguing for your opinion is not useful.  Read the data.  Present alternate data.  [b]Argue using facts in the real world,[/b] not opinions and what you want to be true.
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The data also shows that high SES students/whites aren't hurt by integrated classrooms.  Not buying it.  Two or three of the half dozen public housing project denizens in my kid's 3rd grade classroom EotP were a real problem this past school year, sucking up a great deal of the classroom teacher's time, focus and energy.

You will appreciate how I am arguing using facts in the real world when I state that she was hurt by having these kids in her class, particularly on the day when one of them slugged her in the mouth and cussed her out. The kid wasn't punished or even removed from the class on that day - he was simply made to apologize.

My child was bored in her reading group, and not particularly challenged in math, even as the poor teacher battled to get, and keep the several disruptive and academically disastrous SES kids on track emotionally and academically.  We're planning to give DCPS one more year.  If things don't improve, we're gone.[/quote]

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