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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hi so I’m a Christian and here is my response. So you have to remember that in much of Israel’s history they were a theocracy, meaning God was their leader instead of an human ruler like a king. So anything that was offensive to God could be punished. That is why you have verses like “don’t allow a sorceress to live” because witchcraft is directly offensive to God. Since he’s in charge, it is justified for Him to punish things that offend him.

And the big other thing you mentioned was various verses about God’s commandment to wipe out or drive out various people groups. Now on the surface it seems like God takes sides. I’d recommend you read about the post-Flood Nephilim, they really explain why there was so much killing and violence toward other nations.[/quote]

So you don't disagree those things are immoral, then?  Good, thanks for being honest.  It is genuinely appreciated.[/quote]

Different poster (although you said you don’t want either of us here). The quote is from the Old Testament. PP is a bible literalist, and they’re in the minority. Most Christians believe, as Jesus told us, that the New Testament supplants the Old, that violence is always wrong, that we should turn the other cheek, etc. [/quote]

Hi so I’m the first poster in this thread. Yes I am a literalist for the most part, not always, as there are things that are clearly symbolical like most of Revelation. Anyways, I don’t believe Jesus supplanted or got rid of violence completely. Here’s what I mean.

OT laws concerning the death penalty were always LAWS, meaning that it wasn’t for citizens, individually, to carry out. It was always done through the legal system they had at the time. When Jesus said to “turn the other cheek” he’s talking to the INDIVIDUAL. He’s not talking about the legal system turning its cheek, but each of us individually. The Jews at that time had taken the “eye for eye” principle and applied it to themselves personally when it was only for the governing authorities to do.

So Jesus isn’t getting rid of justified violence, but he’s saying it’s not for me and you to cause violence to our fellow human beings. But for the legal system the laws must be upheld.

But for violence against people groups in Israel’s conquest were for a specific time and place reason, and they don’t apply today. Christians aren’t supposed to go out conquering nations today

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