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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I have a child who is labeled 2E. Everyone has relative strengths and weaknesses. 2E students differences are much wider. Think rolling hills compared to tall mountains and valleys. [b]Tests like the WISC are ruled invalid for my DC as a result. The lowest sub test score of 6 is 13 standard deviations from highest subtests (score of 19). [/b]So anything that combines the test results doesn't really tell the story. He hits the ceiling on several of the subtests. Some of his other reading tests are in the 1st percentile. He scores very high on vocabulary, comprehension, background knowledge, math, science, critical thinking.... He is a deep thinker. He is a curious person and wants to know how things work and how we came to be. He has a nearly encyclopedic memory. His writing ability is quite good but he needs an editor. It is his math ability that is truly exceptional. On the other side, he cannot parse a sentence or understand nuance or symbolism in fiction. It is as if he is blind to it. However, he loves a good story. As a freshman, he took sophomore and junior level classes in college. He could have graduated in 3 years, but he wants to take every pure math class they offer (and triple minor) so that he will know as much as he can before he picks an emphasis for graduate school. We are encouraging him to seek out post baccalaureate programs to also give him more knowledge about what he may want to do. He has received a reader and scribe (now electronic in college) and extra time as part of his accommodations. The extra time is granted because using a reader/scribe takes longer. He has other accommodations like audio books and use of specialized word processing programs. These help him access the curriculums and impart the knowledge he has learned in the classes. He also grew up UMC. Which meant that his parents had the ability to recognize that he had issues, learn about them and get him the remediation he needed to be successful (some of it was at school some of it was privately done). It meant his parents had the wherewithal to fund the private remediation too. As well as fight for a decent IEP from 2nd grade on. He qualified for an IEP very easily has his LDs are severe, but making sure the IEP was up to snuff and then applied was another job altogether. FAPE was violated every single year, sometimes egregiously sometimes less so. For example, on the less so side, he did not receive his math textbook in audio format until January. That, fall I lost my voice reading it to him. Not every 2E student is as easily identifiable as my son. [/quote] A standard deviation is 3 points. You have talked a lot about his weaknesses. Does he have a diagnosis? He sounds dyslexic. Is he also on the spectrum? I have known quite a few people on the spectrum who have an affinity for math. Are they gifted? I would say they have a splinter skill. You describe your ds as a deep thinker, curious, and having a great memory—those traits don’t make someone gifted. [/quote] Sorry, I thought the SD on the sub tests was one point. He still has a 5 SD gap (perhaps wider since he hit the ceiling on many of the subtests). Which is still quite significant. Yes he has a diagnosis of dyslexia- triple or double depending on where you are in the community (decoding/ortho, phoneme/aural, RAN issues). Over 7 years of daily remediation (at school and with a private tutor) We were able to bring him up to low average on decoding and phonemes but he is still in the 1st percentile on RAN. His rate, accuracy and fluency is still quite low. He also has dysgraphia- both with motor integration and organization of thought (although graphic organizers went a long way there). He has been diagnosed in the gifted range in intelligence. His math skills are such that he is majoring in math at a top ten school for his major and aces all of his classes to date (including the two capstone classes he has taken). In my description, I was trying to give a fuller picture of his strengths and weaknesses. 2E students can be extremely complex. Have never heard someone use the term "splinter skill". He does not have ASD. His brother does however. [/quote]
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