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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I am sure there is a logical reason why the gap is widening. Or, at least, someone can make something up.[/quote]

I haven't read the other comments yet.

I support the thinking behind the Common Core effort, but I think a lot of the drop is probably due to the way the Common Core project has been implemented. The Common Core standards are too vague and flowery. Schools are supposed to try to get small children to have a deep understanding of what they read, and to have a deep understanding of how to solve problems in math.

In an effort to make our children deep thinkers, the schools skimp on things like teaching kids about multiplication tables, the parts of speech, and commas.

The result is kids who don't know the basics, aren't deep thinkers, and talk a lot about rubrics.

I think that Asian kids are doing better, overall, because their parents are more likely to send them to tutoring programs that use traditional methods to teach math.[/quote]

Actually the "deeper thinking" curricula are informed by Asian curricula.  We just do a crappy job teaching them here and don't spend as much time in class on math.  The "traditional" dozens of similar problems on a worksheet is a traditional American approach that doesn't work well either.  [/quote]
The US doesn't value education as much as some of these Asian cultures do or even some of the European countries. Our culture doesn't respect teachers. Look at the teachers pay or some of the comments on this forum alone about teachers.  I'm not saying I want the Chinese style of teaching but the lack of discipline in many of our schools and school funding are all part of the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_spending_on_education_(%25_of_GDP)
http://data.uis.unesco.org/?queryid=181

And it's not just a matter of those poor illiterate Hispanics bringing down the scores.  Look at areas with low Hispanic/immigration population. Their test scores aren't that great either. MA and NJ usually has the highest test scores, and they spend a lot on education. Yes, so does DC and NY but part of the issue in those areas are high concentration of poverty and higher col.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html[/quote]

+1. I think it all boils down to the fact that culturally, Asians give a sh** about education far more than other races.  They see education as a way forward and surprise, they’re right.  If you look hard at other cultural and racial groups in this country you see a lot of indifference towards education and amongst some there seems to even be a dismissive attitude.  Jews are the only other group that places strong emphasis on education.[/quote]

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