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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]"I will state as a fact my kid would not let me help with the essay because he said at his school that would be considered an honor code violation."

The problem is that some types of "help" actually would be honor code violations and other types of "help" might strike your DC as violations but wouldn't be considered violations by the honor code committee at all.

Our DC was IN CHARGE of writing his essay.  He came up with the idea.  He wrote the rough draft.  He had final say on every word.

But in between coming up with the idea and writing the rough draft, we talked with him about the idea for at least 8 hours on a college visit car ride.

After he wrote the rough draft, we talked another 6 hours about 3 specific sections covering almost 50% of the essay.  He ended up throwing out all 3 of his sections and going with our directions but again, every word came out of his head and into the computer.

After the second draft with the improved sections, he had 10 or so people iteratively mark it up.  He chose which suggestions to include and which to ditch.

He was responsible for saying, It is done.  Overall, I think any of his HS English teachers would have been thrilled with the effort he put into his essay.

But there are at least 3 sentences and parts of a few others that he "remembered/selected" during those long car ride discussions.

He would argue that they were his but they came out of his parents mouths first.  Is that an honor code violation?  It's not like he had a computer and took notes....[/quote]

+100

One of the best essays my DS wrote had an opening that was an idea/suggestion from my husband.  My husband did not write it...simply gave him the idea.  This is NOT cheating.[/quote]

There are some on this thread who are talking about heavy editing and others who are talking about having a writing professional or sibling write the essay for the applicant.  The latter is clearly cheating.[/quote]

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