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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I've never had a guy ask me whether I was/am a liberal or a feminist. And frankly, most women, even the strongest feminists I know, would never think to bring it up as the first thing about them in a dating environment.

Not a single guy will reject an attractive woman if she identifies as one, so while you may not like feminists and what they stand for, you are all full of it if you say you will run the other way. Maybe for long term relationships, conservative guys will want someone like themselves (as does pretty much everyone!) but not for casual dating.

My husband, who is a moderate, doesn't necessarily agree with all my beliefs, but he respects them. [/quote]

LOL sure...I guess that the privilege of being a women. Oh all men will fall at my feet. They are all just simple animals who will follow any woman around. It does not mater that she hates all men and thinks you are a rapist. He will spend money on me and great me feel great![/quote]

It's ironic that you're telling us feminists hate men and yet use such angry, hateful words to describe feminists. I don't hate men, nor do I know any feminists who do. The feminists I know are married working mothers such as myself, who do not think their husbands and sons are "animals" or "rapists". Why on earth would someone marry and make a life with someone they consider an animal or a rapist? What we all have in common is that [b]we believe we are equal to men and should be treated as such in all circumstances.[/b] That is the core of the feminism I embrace.  [/quote]

I have been involved in feminism most likely since before you born. Feminists want equality of opportunity but not the responsibility that go with it. Ask around. How many self described feminists think they should be drafted and serve in the combat arms(the people who kill and get killed)? Oh they will say if a woman wants the opportunity she should have it, but a woman should not be forced to do it. By default, only men should be forced to do that. How about the little things like having your spouse be the SAHP, splitting a check on a date, being responsible for the income and health insurance of the family, having to work a very demanding job while your spouse does volunteer work or takes a low pressure job? How many women want that side of equality? Read through this board. You will not find many women who want that type of responsibility. Feminism is not about equality of the sexes. It is about women being able to choose how much responsibility they want to take. Most women would be very unhappy with true equality of the sexes.

Some women come to feminism hating men or evolve over time into hating men. If you have been around feminists for any amount of time, you will find them. So you really can not say feminism is not about hating men because for some women it is. [/quote]

I don't think ANYONE should be drafted, men or women. No one should be forced to serve. Who actually thinks people should be forced to serve?

The idea is, these choices - which spouse stays at home, earns more, or takes a more demanding job, etc. - should be decided within a family. They should not be forced upon a woman by society, as they currently are in many places and workplaces. As you mentioned, even here on DCUM, I see a lot of people who believe the woman's place is at home raising babies, who guilt and berate working mothers, and who talk negatively about SAH fathers, saying how "they aren't really men". In fact even women who choose not to have children are berated, called selfish and told there's something wrong with them. This is the kind of thing that I as a feminist oppose - forced roles, judgment and societal pressure, rather than support for choosing the roles that work best for each particular family.

On my first date with my husband, he paid for dinner and then I paid for our cab and drinks/dessert when we went to a nearby bar. I'm not the exception - pretty sure that was the norm with everyone I know. Maybe it's a generational thing - we're at the tail end of Gen X. All my friends work, too, and not at "low pressure volunteer jobs". They are attorneys, CPAs, IT consultants, etc. My own mother was always the breadwinner and made double what my dad made (they're still happily married, btw). The DCUM crowd with their million plus dollar homes, 7 figure HHI and trophy wives who "volunteer" is not the norm.

Sure, some feminists (and some women) probably hate men. Guess what? Some men hate women. You can see it from many of these threads, even in this one. Should I then assume, by your logic, that because some men hate women, it means all men hate women? Of course not. [/quote]

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