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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Lawyer here.

Generally, the government e does not intervene in how parents raise their children or their intimate marital practices.  Not allowing your children to read secular books is not a crime.  Neither is banning the internet or not using birth control or women not voting or women not asserting themselves.

What you describe as "taking over towns and immediately disenfranchising immigrants" is happening all over this country, OP.  Do you read the news?

I don't like the way Hasids act either, but I think that your outrage is kind of ironic. Let's oppress this oppressive group!

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What a bizarre world view.  I see the people being brought up in the Hasidic community as being oppressed and stripped of basic human rights.  It's no different than other religious cults that attempt to cut their members off from the rest of society and place high barriers to exit based on threats, intimidation and worse.  Furthermore, i would see the communities that these Hasidics invade as being oppressed.  They suffer from school and local town budgets being gutted and end up completely disenfranchised. Nobody is saying to oppress the oppressive group......I'm saying give the oppressed back their basic rights. [/quote]

Do you know any hasidim?  I do. Both people in the community, and people who have left.  The barriers to leaving are social ostracism, etc. For married adults likely a custody battle (they have kids shortly after marriage) For younger people, the lack of a good education and difficulty functioning in secular city.  Nonetheless every year many do leave, and find their way in our hard to navigate secular society.

If you really care about those people, you can donate to https://www.footstepsorg.org/  which helps people trying to leave that world.

I have never heard of violence against someone who just wants to leave.  There have been occasions of violence on other issues, mostly from particular sects like Skver, not the mainstream hasidic groupls.  While banning elected school boards from disposing of school buildings as they see fit may well be good public policy, it is [b]not going to help any oppressed people in the community[/b]. It does not sound like you are as interested in helping hasidic women, as in  bashing hasidim.

BTW, there are changes in the community. I see parents more accepting of kids who have left the fold than in the past.  I see women getting better post HS education than in the past, and getting more professional jobs (though they are allowing that largely to ease economic strains)[/quote]

These school boards are draining public school budgets and increasing funding of vouchers for private schools which of course supports the orthodox schools they all send their kids to.  How on earth is that not harming the minority and immigrant populations in those school districts?  Read the Atlantic article that a PP pasted or a great piece in NY Magazine.....there is plenty of documented abuse you can educate yourself about.  You're an obvious apologist for these barbaric people and don't you dare question my motives.[/quote]

http://www.rocklandpost.com/2016/11/04/rockland-county-a-county-divided-2/
above is just ONE link detailing just some of the corruption.

Btw at one particular school board meeting one of the Hasidic Jew members, called one of the immigrant woman a very vulgar term when she asked a question at a school board meeting, IN FRONT OF EVERYONE. This was not the first or last time, either.

So don't even think of comparing this group with Amish, Lutherans, Catholics, etc... Other groups may not be great, but leaders do NOT publically act this way![/quote]

Um our president just referred to immigrants as coming from shithole countries. So yes other leaders do act this way!!

(Not defending Hasidic Jews btw)[/quote]

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