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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Also, for the pro-life folks, see the “cost of having an infant threads.” People have to budget for basic things like formula and clothes. You have rich folks buying clothes on Thredup for the baby because of how expensive childcare is. [/quote]
But the thing is, women forced to bear children they don’t want aren’t necessarily going to treat them well, and even if they do, the woman and her existing children are going to suffer. It’s just an unnecessary nightmare all around. [/quote]

pro choice = pro child abuse?

It’s a running theme that is sickening. Not all pro choice people think child abuse is ever an option. [/quote]

You are being dense.

What happens is thus: people who are forced to have children they don't want resent them. It's human nature. The parents are angry, there's not enough money typically, there may have been a forced marriage.

They try to love these unwanted children  they were forced to have, buy the gun the forced bithers put to their head wrecks the parent child relationship.

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Nobody o[b]n this forum who has unhappy birth or family circumstances has committed suicide[/b]. If given a choice, they have continue life. Saying a baby should be killed rather than be born into possibly less then optimal circumstances is a ludicrous and false. If that were true, the unhappy people here would have ended their own lives. No one has a perfect life or childhood or is born into perfection. We don’t kill unhappy, poor people because their lives aren’t fabulous.[/quote]

This forum is largely privileged UMC folks, including myself. But lots of folks commit suicide.[/quote]

The poor and miserable in this country are absolutely killing themselves. Look at the overdose rate. Look at the rates of obesity, diabetes, and metabolic disorders. And in my circles at least, this includes several people who were adoptees. It appears that even a loving home can’t save folks from the fundamental trauma of not being wanted. [/quote]

I think pro-choice people who want abortion to be accessible (or at least early abortion) and use pain and suffering of unwanted kids and our inability to care for them as an argument aren't talking about the problems of the privileged.  Not to minimize suicide and addiction that also can exist among the affluent, but this isn't what it's about.

The focus is on much more dire circumstances many of these kids have to experience that makes their lives not only miserable but also quite short. 
1) Babies born to addicted mothers, babies already born with addictions or other birth defects who require medical help 
2) kids who end up moved through the system and are vulnerable to physical and sexual abuse and the worst of it - child trafficking.  Unwanted kids are much easier targets for child traffickers, they aren't missed when they are missing, it's a fact.  
3) Kids who go through the foster home pipeline straight into the prison pipeline or skid row to due addiction issues or mental illness or maladjustment from trauma. 
4) Kids who are so neglected they lack the basics, those whose addicted mothers decide to keep them and raise them when abortion is denied.  I have seen such kids and it's a very disturbing thing I will never forget.  Why don't you ask people who work in child services and the cops what they see before you spew nonsensical whataboutism about affluent and well cared for kids turning out to be unhappy "too" and somehow being on the same page overall as unwanted kids who don't get adopted.

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^^this wasn't in response to the PP (I agree with her), but previous PP, just making this clear as I lost the post I was responding to, but you get my gist. [/quote]

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