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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]For a number of reasons, I think some form of race-based affirmative action probably makes sense. At the same time, I get why some think it’s unfair.

That said, I struggle to understand why white people care so much. I mean, If you’re a white kid kept out of Harvard by affirmative action, where do you end up going? Brown? Cornell? Georgetown? Is that really so bad?

This just feels like another parable about the power of marketing—here, the universities’. [/quote]
You're assuming that the white kids rejected in favor of black kids with worse grades are getting into a comparable institution. If all institutions are favoring minorities, the white kid runs into the same problem - and, depending on the program, may not get accepted at all. That's why there are so many white kids with a 3.7 rejected from all med schools, while a minority with a 3.4 gets acceptances from multiple schools.[/quote]

No I’m not. Harvard is better than those schools. [/quote]
What are you talking about? You're acting as if a white kid with excellent grades and scores gets bumped out of a top school due to the lower standards for minorities, he'll get into SOME sort of decent school. I am telling you that it is so bad that WHITE students with a 3.6 applying to med school will be laughed out by virtually every med school in the country, whereas a black kid with a 3.3 still has a very good chance of getting accepted.
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But what you are saying is just racist bullshit. My daughter and dozens of her classmates and friends in DC, Montgomery County, and NOVA, public & private schools, rich, middle, working class, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, all got into exactly the level of schools they deserved to get into. I can’t think of one person who had to drop down a level or anyone who was in over his/her head. You are exaggerating everything way beyond reality to incite racial grievance. You remind me of David Duke with this bullshit. [/quote]
If you are going to pull out that old "racist, racist!!" BS one more time, I'm going to stop debating with you.

You're coming up with anecdotes. Your daughter....her classmates....her friends. I am telling you as someone who has inside knowledge that 1) URMs are admitted with much lower grades/scores than whites, 2) they take on significantly more debt, 3) they require much more private tutoring than their classmates, including black classmates. who were admitted under the "normal" standards, and 4) the drop-out rate among blacks is significantly higher than whites.

And what is racist about the proposal that kicked this thread off: Change the focus from race-based AA to SES-based AA? That way, we would be offering low-income whites a "step up" as well to low-income blacks. Some of you liberals are so anti-white (white trash, the whites need to STFU), that you want to make sure ALL the benefits go exclusively to black kids an send high-achieving, but poor, whitey to community college. Now THAT is racist.[/quote]

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