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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The cavalier attitude with which she views the events of 9-11 are deeply offensive to those of us who lost loved one in the attack and to any American who remembers the unprovoked attack by the terrorists.  [/quote]

Do you feel the same way about Donald Trump and his cavalier attitude in the immediate aftermath of the attacks, when his most pressing concern was to gloat that his building was the tallest in downtown Manhattan?[/quote]

He actually didn’t do that.  Only the most partisan idiots would think that.  Read up:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-bragged-tallest-building/
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If Omar's critics have demonstrated anything in this thread, it is that they don't care about context. You are quite willing to completely ignore what she was actually saying and misrepresent her entire point. So, why do you expect different treatment for Trump?  If you want to condemn Omar for a few words taken out of context, then it is hypocritical to expect Trump's words not to be handled likewise.
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Last week, Omar reintroduced the flawed idea that Trump called all immigrants animals, when the larger context showed that he was talking about MS—13.

What is the context which would change how people perceive her words? Where they would say, had I heard that part, I would be comfortable with her word choice. 
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Here is the full context of Trump's remarks. Party because Trump is a nearly incoherent speaker, his words can be interpreted exactly as Omar and many others have said:

[quote]SHERIFF MIMS:  Thank you.  There could be an MS-13 member I know about — if they don’t reach a certain threshold, I cannot tell ICE about it.

THE PRESIDENT:  We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in — and we’re stopping a lot of them — but we’re taking people out of the country.  You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are.  These aren’t people.  These are animals.  And we’re taking them out of the country at a level and at a rate that’s never happened before.  And because of the weak laws, they come in fast, we get them, we release them, we get them again, we bring them out.  It’s crazy.[/quote]

It is actually difficult to interpret Trump's remarks as referring to MS-13 because large number of MS-13 members are not coming into the country and being stopped and taken out. It makes much more sense that Trump is referring to immigrants in general. You may be correct in your interpretation, but it is clearly debatable.

As for Omar, her remarks were not aimed at describing 9/11, but rather the impact of the rise of Islamophobia after 9/11. Another way of expressing what she said would have been, "A small group of people committed a terrible act and all Muslims were blamed". When she said, "Some people did something", it was not to diminish what they did, but to emphasize that the act was committed by that group, not all Muslims. Yet, all Muslims suffered the consequences (and even some non-Muslims who were mistaken for Muslims).

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https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/media/media-trump-animals-immigrants/index.html?utm_source=CNN+Media%3A+Reliable+Sources&utm_campaign=dd34d0ce5f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_06_06&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e95cdc16a9-dd34d0ce5f-85679693

Media outlets take Trump out of context to suggest he called undocumented immigrants 'animals'. Several news organizations took remarks President Donald Trump made Wednesday out of context to suggest he was referring to undocumented immigrants at large as "animals," when in context it appears the President was likely referring to members of a violent gang.

Re Omar - If you say an offensive line within a speech, but those words weren't the crux of your speech, your words were still offensive. That does not mean your words were taken out of context, so people need to stop describing it that way. Your suggested words would have been perfect. That is what people expect. It matters not that she didn't mean to diminish what happened. She did. When people said that her words hurt them, if she accepted that, then she should have said so.[/quote]

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