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That is terrifying.  At least in that short article though, it sounds like the guy who committed the actual r*** just messaged the person back and then showed up and did that?  Which to me, means he should have known it was fishy, or didn't care (or hoped??) that it was actually a real r***.  I would think- hope- that if the guy and the fake Sarah spoke on the phone, and had days of texts about what exactly she wanted done, along with friendly chit chat about liking dogs, and about "i'll set an alarm and unchain you at X time" and "i'm worried about restraining you with that specific item because you won't be able to snap your fingers to signal you want me to stop" and "just to warn you that part of your body will bruise really easily if I do that even lightly, are you in to that or not?", then he'd have gotten off with a much lighter sentence if any sentence at all.  [/quote]

I agree, Joe’s actions here seem pretty different from the defendant in that case. There was also a (45 minute long? I thought that was the length mentioned somewhere) phone call as well. We’ve gotten a little detail from Juliana on that but I assume they were validating any concerns pretty heavily. Like maybe showed parts of the house, etc. At that point he’s talking to a female inside the location that was part of the request. I don’t think a reasonable person would be like “maybe this could be the lady’s au pair soliciting my participation in a murder plot.” Obviously he was wrong but the lengths they went to were extremely bizarre and creepy. I don’t see a judge and jury deciding that Joe should go to prison for 60 years in this exact case had they somehow survived at the last second (unfortunately I don’t think that was ever a realistic probability). But I think there is going to be a legal issue there.

It goes without saying though that Joe is not on trial here. We can’t really fully hear the evidence that would support his side of the story. We don’t know exactly what happened on the phone call or the extent of the “evidence” he asked for. They were obviously trying really hard to manipulate him and there was a female in on it, so that made further manipulation possible. He also already paid the ultimate price for any mistakes he made. [/quote]

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