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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I really want to hear someone defend athletic recruiting to elite schools, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary the travel, parental involvement and training required for a child to be recruitable are. [/quote]

I really want to hear someone defend private secondary schools pipeline to elite schools, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....
I really want to hear someone defend standardized testing and paid test prep, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....
I really want to hear someone defend the common app essay and the paid prep and adult assistance, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....

If only we could all have equal outcomes.[/quote]
There are public magnets to rival private prep schools.

Standardized tests can be prepped for alone using free prep books from the library.

Acquiring help in Common App essays is cheating, and no one defends that.

Meanwhile sports cannot be paid by oneself, requires high fees + high parental involvement. It's also entirely irrelevant to academics. There's no way to defend it. [/quote]

Are you saying that only rich kids play sports in college?  Please, defend that.[/quote]

Nobody is saying “only rich kids play sports in college,” but yeah, the vast majority college athletes across the spectrum of schools are rich white kids.  [/quote]

But clearly there are viable ways to be an athlete in college without money....just like there are viable ways to perform on a standardized test without money....so athletics is not exclusionary.[/quote]

What sport is not exclusionary?  The only ones left are where recruiting still happens directly out of high school including public highschool.  Football, track and field, cross country, wrestling, maybe field hockey.   Not sure about baseball or softball.[/quote]

Hilarious to hear the whining about sports being exclusionary when we’re talking about elite schools that admit 5% of their applicants. [i]Every[/i] metric they use for admission will be exclusionary - academics, test scores, extracurriculars, athletics, etc. They are going to exclude many highly qualified applicants. If you want non exclusionary admissions, T30 or even T50 is not for you.[/quote]
Then why is using test scores so terrible?

At least test scores match up with college performance while sports is irrelevant, and tests can be prepped for alone with used prep books while sports requires investment from early childhood that most working class, poor and even middle class parents cannot afford.

Test scores are only a problem because it's how Asian students, including very poor Asian children of recent working class immigrants (think Bronx Science), get into college. Along with grades, it's the one thing they can use that doesn't require large sums of money for irrelevant activities like music, sports or winning popularity contests in high school (which the wealthy will always win) and is something that they can study for on their own.

UMC whites hate seeing poor Asian kids of NYC cabbies get into Stuy and Ivies out of the skin of their teeth while their own kids are high on drugs every weekend despite having every advantage. With Asians they can't even blame affirmative action for their own children's failures. [/quote]

Test scores are still part of the equation just lower stakes. As they should be. There's more to a 17 year old kid than a standardized test score.

Colleges love sports. That's part of the American college fabric - right, wrong or indifferent.

And... contrary to your assertion, UMC whites don't even think about poor Asian kids. Not in the same social circle academic or otherwise. [/quote]

They do think about them. They call them robots and strivers. [/quote]

Only in your aggrieved mind.[/quote]

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