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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Kids should not go to school in a prison. That’s completely f**ked up. Who are you monsters?!

Ban guns! It’s so easy to fix.[/quote]

As someone who taught in a school that was fashioned like a prison I 100% agree.  That does something to a child’s psyche that I would not want children to experience.  Stop putting all of our burdens on our most vulnerable population.  Adults don’t seem to want to make change or sacrifice anything for children.[/quote]

Make those changes, but they take time. But in the meantime? Save the children. The door, according to MSN who referenced video, was left propped open. Teacher went out, got his/her phone to call authorities after the shooter crashed his truck and shot at funeral home personnel, went back in and sadly didn't shut the door. Not his/her fault, just an unfortunate circumstance. [/quote]

Just think if he didn’t have a gun, we wouldn’t be having this discussion and burying a bunch of children.[/quote]
If the teacher had a weapon in his/her car, got that instead of just a cell phone, shut the door and stood on the inside, or if there wa s an armed resource officer inside, it could have been different too.

We can both play the wish it was game. But that won't change a thing tomorrow. Again, even if there was a massive ban and buyback program, that takes time. There are things that can be changed today to protect kids tomorrow[/quote]

How do you feel about "proper perimeter fences" that are "intended to deter"?  Big fan?   [/quote]

I think anything you do to slow down someone is helpful. Ted Bundy got Kimberly Leach on school grounds. He would have had a hard time climbing a locked fence with a child in tow.[/quote]

The gunman climbed an 8' fence to get in.

The police had a lot of time to act.  They chose not to.[/quote]

I'm confused. There were police inside the school area and outside the school area and not one of them shot a guy with a gun climbing the fence right in front of them? Or did he take off and they could not find him fast enough?

What about the door that was left propped open? Not a problem re: security?[/quote]

They were 3-7 there almost immediately after he entered.  He fired in their general direction and they ran away.  19 of them then waited 40 minutes in a hallway and told to stand down.  Eventually the border patrol guys arrived and after 20 minutes arguing with the Uvalde police they decided to go in themselves.

Response time was not a problem.  They had it.  They were there.[/quote]

At the school, agree. I mean after the truck crashed and before he breached the fence and entered through the open door. [/quote]

It took him at least 12 minutes to get inside the building.  He shot at people outside too.  The police station is 1.5 miles away.  The 911 calls started within 2 minutes of the crash.  A patrol car drove past him.

Only two things could have prevented this.  Banning AR-15s or having uncowardly cops.  Lower capacity magazines and ammo purchase limits would have helped reduce the death toll.[/quote]

There’s an old joke “why do you carry a gun?” Answer: “Because a policeman is too heavy.”  Response time can be dreadful. Even if they are there in a timely matter, it often still is too late.  Again, the door was left wide open AFTER someone saw the guy shooting across the street. Once he got in, sadly, he controlled the scene. You and I don’t know whether or not an armed resource officer or a few volunteer armed teachers would have made a difference. It sure would have helped change the trajectory though, because the perp would be engaged with those individual(s). We’ve seen this again and again, most recently in Charlestown WV, where a woman killed a man with her hand gun who opened fire on a party with his AR-15. He’s the only one who was hit and died. There are many other instances in the news. When you want to take ALL guns away, you won’t get ALL guns. And there lies the problem.[/quote]

Your rationalizing this.  Response time was good.  [b]Why a school resource officer and some teachers be better than cops? [/b] The cops were there and ran away.  I mean I guess you're correct that people in the school might not have been so willing to abandon 10 year olds to fate but it can't be stated enough.  The cops responded in time.  Unfortunately, they ran away.  If the very people that are trained to respond are too afraid.  If the very people most heavily armed and equipped are too afraid.  If the very people that are supposed to protect and serve are too afraid.  Then what good is more weapons?  In California, last week - omg, an unarmed middle aged doctor sacrificed his life and saved the day.  In Schanksville, unarmed people sacrificied their lives and saved the day.  Guns don't save the day.  People save the day.  If the Uvalde police had a mini-gun it wouldn't have changed a single thing.  Since people being selfless instead of selfish is the determining factor then shouldn't we give them a fighting chance by banning military grade assault weapons?[/quote]

Because they are in the building already and know the building's layout. [/quote]

Guess what.  The Uvalde police department does regular walkthroughs just for that purpose.  They also monitor social media and have a SWAT team.  They do and have everything suggested.  None of that did anything because the cops were afraid.[/quote]

This.

And they were afraid because the state of TX is full of gun toting vigilantes, and that culture is promoted by those at the very top. I wouldn’t want to be a law enforcement officer in TX.  It’s lawless.[/quote]

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