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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“Regarding "If I Ran the Zoo," the study points out another example of Orientalism and White supremacy. "The three (and only three) Asian characters who are not wearing conical hats are carrying a White male on their heads in 'If I Ran the Zoo.' The White male is not only on top of, and being carried by, these Asian characters, but he is also holding a gun, illustrating dominance. The text beneath the Asian characters describes them as 'helpers who all wear their eyes at a slant' from 'countries no one can spell,'" the study authors wrote.“ But it’s totally fine! Says OP[/quote] [img]https://images.thequint.com/thequint%2F2021-03%2F548471f6-b68f-4e4d-a030-a690dd33d245%2Fcage__zoo_.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&w=700&dpr=1.5[/img] Yup, nothing racist here[/quote] Subjective standard again. I had that book as a kid. I sure didn't get the message they think I got.[/quote] And apparently you are still oblivious as an adult. [/quote] Well the problem with this whole unconscious bias thing. I didn't get the message that white people are dominant in that picture. I got one guy on top, others below and the guys on the bottom happen to be Asian. I can't prove that I did not pick up an unconscious bias, but they can't prove that I did. So how do they know if I did or I didn't? [/quote] Because now, in hindsight and as an adult, probably educated, if you don't see the unconscious bias and racism in the image, then that is on you.[/quote] Of course it's on me, that's the point. I don't see it, you do. What does that say about you? That you are right? That you are smarter? That you are better? That you are antiracist? Why? Would you be a totally different person if you didn't see it? What does it mean to you? Why do none of ask yourselves that question? [/quote] The only thing any of us can do is listen. If many in an affected community are telling you something, perhaps you might give it some importance? Asians have been telling you that they find “Chinaman” “yellow” and “slant eyes” demeaning. You might consider their perspective and say ok, I can see why one might find that picture offensive even if all *I* see is a couple of guys. And no, finding the minority of Asians that feel that “slant eyes” is just a description and not racist at all does not change that many in that group do. I believe you if you say this wouldn’t bother you. Can you see why it might bother some? If you can understand why it might bother some people, the next question to ask yourself is whether there is any downside to stopping using the phrase. If the answer is “seems like a dumb thing to get hung up on, but I am not walking in their shoes, so fine - no skin off my back”, why not stop using it? What are you gaining by refusing categorically to listen to those who tell you it’s hurtful?[/quote]
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