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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]So Palestinian terrorism is justified because, because, because.  There is no peaceful way forward, terrorism is the only way to achieve anything?  That's the argument?  Anyone with a scintilla of civilized blood in their veins would reject that puerile, simplistic proposition.  Of course, if you accept it, all bets are off - the Palestinians should keep inflicting terror.  If you adhere to that idea, you've no basis for crying when the terrorists and their supporters are suppressed.  So stop whining and accept that the current condition of the Gazans is self-inflicted even as you think their actions have some kind of utility in advancing their causes and redressing their grievances.

Never mind that the Arab states surrounding Israel mostly engage in political discourse and negotiations instead of violent aggression.  Those countries have avoided any recent conflicts because they have stayed within their own borders, having learned from their past adventurism that attacking Israel achieves nothing but self-destruction, a diminution in their own borders, the loss of military capacity, and embarrassment on the world stage.  Iran is still figuring that one out, as are the Houthis.

The Palestinians can try to re-fight the Israeli war for independence over and over again, obtaining the same results they did in 1948.  You can cheer them on from the sidelines where it's safe, but encouraging them is to urge them to continue further aggravate their hopeless state of affairs.  [/quote]

Please suggest civilized ways currently available to the Palestinians to resist land grab and settlement expansion. I’ll wait. [/quote]

Renounce terror to start with and go from there.  Nothing will change as long as terror is the exclusive foreign policy pursued by the Palestinians.  It matters not what alternatives they are offered, they consistently choose terror in the utterly absurd hope that such a path will result in the disappearance of Israel and its population and the return to the status quo ante of 1947, assuming they found the British Mandate a suitable form of governance and wouldn't complain just as much about that.  The sheer imbecility of this course of action is astounding - no rational person could possibly conclude, after 75 years of failed efforts, that this is a viable path forward or that it forms the basis for a useful foreign policy and path to peaceful engagement with anyone.

The assertions here that terror is the only option available is equally idiotic - doing the same thing over and over and over, obtaining the same result over and over and over, and urging more of the same is irrational as well as ineffective.  It's time for a change, and that change is not gong to be Israel packing up and dissolving itself, it has to be the Palestinians recognizing that trying to address their grievances through a corrupt government and terrorism is not only unproductive but affirmatively self-destructive.  Trying a path without terrorism can only be an improvement, although that requires a rejection of sponsorship by Iran, which uses terror as an instrument of their own foreign policy.  They do that through proxies like Hamas, to try to insulate themselves from direct retaliation but have no objections when their surrogates get hammered instead.

If the Palestinians reject terror, prospects for peace would increase exponentially.  Continue to embrace terror, and the Palestinians will continue on a path towards obliteration, all while sympathizers decry the situation.  The Palestinians can end the violence this moment by rejecting Hamas and all it stands for, and ensuring the release of the hostages.  Or they can keep on keeping on.  it's up to them - Hamas attacked on Oct. 7, not the IDF.  [/quote]

And when is Israel going to reject terror? What do you think the assault on Palestinians in the West Bank is, if not terror. There are over three-quarters of a million Israeli settlers illegally occupying the West Bank, the Golan Heights, and East Jerusalem. They stole Palestinian homes and land through terrorism, which is at least in part sponsored by the state of Israel. What do you think happened to the Palestinians who were attacked and evicted from their homes.

Are you genuinely blind to your own hypocrisy? Or do you actually think Palestinians have less value than Jews, so it's acceptable to erase them and to take what is theirs? [/quote]

Israel is not going to reject their version of state sponsored terror and the Palestinians cannot defeat it militarily.  They need to change the paradigm if they want to "win". [/quote]

In other words, the Palestinians need to shut up and accept being slowly evicted or exterminated as their land and possessions are stolen and they are inexorably erased.

This kind of "might is right" thinking doesn't work when one no longer has the might, as Nazi Germany and Bashar al-Assad found out. There are good reasons for having an international rule of law. [/quote]

No.  But if they don't want that to happen then they need to change their strategy because what they've been doing hasn't been working.[/quote]

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