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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What did the dad's dad say?[/quote]

We are mystified like everyone else. I don't want to say a great deal as there is a lot going on," John's father Peter told the Daily Mail. "We are just waiting for the authorities to do all the tests. We are in touch with them and are awaiting the final analysis."

'We are mystified like everyone else': Father of British software developer found dead with wife, baby and dog on California hiking trail says family are still waiting for autopsy test results but insists they were not murdered.

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If dad is insisting they were not murdered then they absolutely do not have evidence of family annihilation. Here is the thing about exceedingly rare bizarre natural occurrences. They are rare, but they happen. And when they happen, they are the kind of thing that bubbles up through the news like this. Form 2007-2018 2,727 people died in national parks. There aren't 40 page long threads speculating about it because people know what happened! And it wasn't super hard to figure out.

People die of exposure all the time, and you can tell that they died of exposure when you find them. People are murdered all the time and you can usually tell that when they find them. People don't die with their dog on a path a half hour from their car very often. Even in extreme heat (which we don't actually know they expereinced). They had plenty of water and while yes, in a crisis situation parents would save water for their child, again, they were 1.5 miles from their car, on a path, not lost. Police don't treat a scene like a hazmat area and start looking into aerosolized toxic algae if it looks like people died of exposure or murder.

Occam's razor is interesting here, because all the 'simple' answers require complicated factors to explain them. MAYBE heat stroke, IF the dog went first and the parents quickly became so disoriented they made bad choices even though both parents are healthy adults with EXTENSIVE outdoors and hiking experience. MAYBE family annihilation if dad managed to find some perfect poison that was impossible detect and he knew precisely how to poison baby, mom and dog so effectively that they were found in basically peaceful positions without evidence of sickness. I think perhaps more than Occam's razor we need to consider some Sherlock Holmes,

[quote]“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”[/quote]

Even using Occam's razor I think the CO cloud is the simplest and most logical explanation. Maybe one of these convoluted explanations will be the answer. But none of them REALLY make sense when you look at what we know both about these people and the scene. [/quote]

Lol. How can you walk through all of that and conclude that a series of events leading up to known and frequent causes of death (homicide, exposure) is LESS likely than an incredibly rare, incredibly freak natural release of CO?  Do you need us to go through all the unlikely steps that would lead to a catastrophic gas cloud?

This was murder, almost certainly.  I can entertain heat stroke, but the most reasonable explanation is murder-suicide.  (Note: toxicology reports have not been completed yet.)[/quote]

The unlikely steps leading to the gas cloud are extremely unlikely but also don't require all the living creatures involved to behave in ways that don't make sense. [/quote]

But people do behave in ways that don't make sense when suffering the effects of heat exhaustion.  [/quote]

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