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This is a false analogy.  If your bicycle was stolen, it's not the stealing of the bicycle but the person who stole it that I would "keep an open mind about".  You couldn't simply point to some random person and say that's the person who stole the bicycle, unless there was clear evidence to support that accusation.  If a woman is raped, her entire body is evidence against the person who raped her.  That [b]is, if this evidence is collected soon enough and the victim chooses to press charges. [/b] [/quote]

No, the only thing her entire body is evidence of is that there was sexual contact. What are you going to do about a case where Person A had sexual contact with Person B, and Person A says that Person B consented, and Person B says that Person B did not consent?

You want women to report rape. [b]But you also want women to have to prove their accusations of rape,[/b] before you will believe them. You can have one or the other; you can't have both. Which is more important to you?[/quote]

You can believe them - in fact I bet many investigators initially do. Then the evidence comes out and sometimes it doesn’t support the allegations. So law enforcement has to be aware of that possibility as well.  This is a serious crime with prison time -- see Mike Tyson. Did three years for rape.[/quote]

[b]Pretty sure the boys all confessed in this case. As the article says, the dean knew who was involved. Pretty clear evidence that the assailants were known. [/b]At no point in the RS article is there any indication that her story might not be true and I read articles like this all the time -- it is made very clear if that is an issue you should be debating. There is no way this was published or got by the UV press screen unless it is true. No way.[/quote]

I have read and re-read this article searching for anything that suggests the male students (they are not boys) confessed to the alleged gang rape OR that the Dean knows who they are.  I don't even think Jackie knows who they all are.  Can you please point to the section(s) of the article that lead you to your conclusion?  I'm being sincere.[/quote]

Of course -- when Jackie was told by the dean that all of the boys had graduated, indicating that she clearly knew who they were -- Jackie did not even know who they were, so I read that as a tacit statement that they had some kind of acknowledgment. [/quote]

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