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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Question for the middle age man:  were you equally offended by the Capitals and Alex Ovechkin after they won the Stanley Cup?[/quote]

Yes his behavior did bother me (but not as much):

thought he was obnoxious and played the fool, and his drunken behavior was boorish, and I don't like he behaved like a champion either.

However, I wasn't as offended because he wasn't playing for national team (i.e. representing the U.S.) and he didn't try to make himself out to be some social justice warrior because he won an athletic championship. [/quote]

To refresh your memory, during the Caps' Stanley Cup winning season, several players "got political" by, among other things, repeatedly speaking up in support of the national anthem protests and the social justice reasons behind the protest, several of them said BEFORE they won the Stanley Cup that they would not visit the White House if invited because, to quote some of the players, the president is "straight-up racist and sexist," and Ovechkin announced via his social media the creation of a social movement in support of Putin - he called it Putin Team - and then continued to pump "Putin Team" all season.  Granted, Alex is Russian and was supporting the president of his country, but to do so while living in the US and playing in DC with all that was going on with Russia at that time was a very bold move and was getting very "political" when he did not need to do so.

That is to say nothing of the very public drunken behavior of the Caps as they partied day-and-night around Vegas and DC, including Ovechkin dropping the f-bomb during his speech after the victory parade, or a number of players (Holtby, Connolly, Smith-Pelly, etc.) actually skipping the White House visit.

I raise this, not because I was bothered by it (the opposite, I loved every minute of it), but to point out that a local team beloved by its fan base, and the casual fans that jumped on the bandwagon, did a LOT of the things that people are complaining about with respect to certain of the USWNT players.  Yet I do not recall the uproar and all of these negative comments directed at Ovechkin, Holtby, Smith-Pelly, etc. for their actions or political stances.

So what makes these women different, other than the fact that they are women?[/quote]

Now it’s time for our anti-MR friend to claim it’s different because they’re a NATIONAL team. When really, as the article he posted makes clear, women and minorities should just shut up about injustice and be grateful for the scraps they’re thrown.[/quote]

For those who lack reading comprehension, I've already indicated that I thought Ovechkin was a fool and his behavior was inappropriate.
Overall, I don't think Ovechkin is the sharpest tool in the shed to begin with and his behavior didn't surprise me, and for the Capital players running around public drunk --- I could without it.

Also, I previously indicated that nobody should have to go the White House ever for winning a championship if they don't want to. I don't have a problem with that. I fully understand that some people are so turned off by the President (present or past), they prefer not to go --- that's OK. That's a problem with an individual administration.

But, also as I stated later, I do expect more from a team that represents the country --- men or women. As a previous poster indicated, the US Mens Basketball team (circa 2000 and 2004), played poorly in the Olympics, lost, and behaved like jerks. Likewise, the US mens hockey team that trashed a dorm after losing the Olympics --- bad behavior, I expect more from. I might have posted some then but I wasn't aware of DCUM and this is a soccer forum, so sorry.

As Herb Brooks said "The name on the front of the jersey means a helluva lot more than the name on the back" --- goes for EVERYBODY who plays for national team.

But, please keep making this about men vs. women, straight vs. gay, young vs. old --- what divisions you can come up with to justify inappropriate behavior or explain why  you are the oppressed class.

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