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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can someone please post the data that show white students are not going to college because black students took all their spots?

Thanks.[/quote]

Which poster said white kids aren't going to college because black kids took all their spots? [/quote]

There was a poster several pages back who said young white males were "harmed" by AA. Maybe that PP can explain what he meant by harmed.

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That was me.

By "harm," I mean pay a price for affirmative action policies. It's simple math. Let's say a med school, for example, has X number of slots and have determined that they want 15% of the entering class to be black (since 15% of the broader population is black.) In order to accomplish that, they need to drop their GPA cut-off to 3.3. No white male would get in with that stat and instead needs a 3.6.

Unfortunately (for the white guy), he earned a 3.5. He's rejected. If slots didn't need to open up for black kids with 3.3, in order to meet AA goals, the school could drop down to 3.5 for everyone, race not a factor, and the white kid would have passed the cut-off. This can play out at med schools throughout the country, and he has to give up his dream of being a doctor. I've seen this happen in two instances with bright, caring young white men.

Whether this sacrifice is worth it to have a diverse population among doctors is a separate area of discussion. But you can't deny that the white kid paid a price as a result of affirmative action policies.[/quote]

That's an interesting hypothetical, but in fact last year only 7% of students starting med school were black. So even with affirmative action, we can't get even close to a representative number of black students in med school.

https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/factstablea18.pdf[/quote]
The reason they couldn't get to the 15% is because there needs to be a hard cut-off at some point. You can't, for example, lower admissions standards to 2.8 (for blacks) in order to reach the goal. Otherwise, you are admitting students who are likely to fail the program. Still doesn't negate the point that when you have a finite number of slots with lower standards for Group A and higher standards for Group B, Group B pays a price.

I am also the PP who strongly supports AA policies, but based on income. This is more fair. And, as I've pointed out, if blacks are disproportionately poor compared to whites, they will still be benefiting from AA. [/quote]

How do you propose you can do the income based admission? Based on whose income? How many years of income? Don't you include assets and stocks ? You see why this is an issue. This leads to a rabbit hole with many options to cheat the system. How do you prevent a wealthy son whose parents are divorced but taking only mother's much lower income and ignoring wealthy father's millions in the application? How do you prevent someone having big assets and lower income from abusing the system? There are many scenarios that I can think of. You can't cheat race as easily.

Also no matter how many times some one brings this up you want to ignore that one person's admission is not another person's rejection automatically and directly. There are more factors than such a simplistic zero some scenario.[/quote]

Supporter of race-based AA here. But I support income-based AA as well. And it's actually surprisingly easy to identify kids from poor families, even with absolutely no income information to go on. Your home address, the high school you attend, your parents' occupations and levels of education, whether or not you have 2 parents in the home--these are all included on the college application and provide a basis for making a pretty good guess about level of income. Not 100% accurate, but pretty damn accurate. Then, too, there are recommendations. And trust me, when a poor kid is an academic stand-out, every person writing a rec for that kid will take pains to point it out to the admissions committee.

"Despite a lack of financial resources at home, Larla has thrived at school...."

"Larla has not been as involved in extracurricular activities as she would have liked because she has important responsibilities at home. She is needed as a babysitter for her younger siblings, and her family relies in part on the money she makes at her part-time job...."

"Larla's academic achievements are even more impressive because she has had relatively little support at home...."

Easy.[/quote]

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