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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The average Russian soldier make's it to 4 months before they die. 20 percent die within 8 weeks. Less than 1 percent make it to to 11 months.

I imagine Ukrainian numbers are similar.

It's a brutal war.

Ukrainians have a reason to fight. Russians are absolute scum. It's an imperial country looking to recreate the Soviet empire. There's no choice but to resist.

The upside is that Russia will never be a threat to the West again. They are getting wrecked. Have lost at least 50 percent of their military capabilities so far.

The situation is awful. What is interesting though are the pro-Russian Republicans in this country. Horrible people. Regan is rolling in his grave. Republicans used to stand for something. No longer apparently. Pathetic. [/quote]

I'm conservative and basically favor funding Ukraine. The problem is in the messaging.  The message Americans hear is that we are protecting a faraway democracy that we've never intervened to help, and that Biden didnt take steps to protect prior to the invasion. This is simply not a compelling message.

It would be better to level with Americans that while this is expensive, we are getting massive security returns by being able to bleed the Russian military without actually going to war. The idea that Rs love Russia is silly and false. Most Americans understand the need for strategic defense and would understand our involvement better if it were presented as an investment in our own security. Which is the real reason we are doing it-- no one suddenly loves Ukraine, they are a troubled and corrupt government. [/quote]

Messaging, what messaging?  The elites plunged us into a proxy war with a nuclear power without deigning to discuss the interests at stake.[/quote]

Truly I don't understand what you are talking about with "Biden didnt' take steps to protect".  Aid to Ukraine goes back to Trump. His attempt to cut off this aid led to one of his impeachments. Also the reasons for not creating a buildup of NATO weaponry prior to the invasion were clearly stated at the time. Tired of explaining it to people who can't read. Your starting point is the demand in 2021 that the west sign a treaty permanently banning Ukraine from NATO and demilitarizing Eastern Europe.

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No Trump had a private meeting with Putin where Putin offered him money in exchange for not funding the Ukrainians. This is well know in the intelligence communities.[/quote]

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