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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Despite all the pro-Hamas posting in this thread, the reality is that Israel is a modern first-world democracy with a modern military, engaged in defensive action to preserve itself.  That may mean the creation of buffer zones, and changing borders.  The terrorists who initiated attacks, no matter what their grievances, are wholly to blame for the outcomes people so loudly declaim here, usually with factually incorrect and completely fabricated assertions about the relative behaviors of the combatants.

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Well said. They rarely bring up the hostages, but yes the terrorists are wholly to blame.[/quote]

This is absolutely on the terrorists exclusively.  They initiated and continue the current conflict, they deliberately hide among and under civilians, they committed unspeakable atrocities, and they continue to hold hostages.  Wrong-headed arguments about apartheid, Palestiniain displacement post Resolution 181, and wailing about current civilian Palestinian casualties cannot change those facts.  If the terrorists surrendered and released their hostages there would be no further civilian casualties, but where are the pro-Palestinian appeals for such actions?  There are none - it's all about how bad the Israelis are for responding decisively to terror. [/quote]

Exactly. Therefore they have to root out and eliminate Hamas. Can't put out part of a fire. [/quote]

+100. Also, one cannot compare [b]the hostages who committed no crime to those detained by Israel for terrorist acts[/b]. Sadly there are children who have attempted terrorism too because they were indoctrinated to think terrorism was noble from an early age. Once Hamas is gone there will need to be de-radicalization. This whole projection of everything Hamas terrorists do onto the IDF is part of the psychological warfare.[/quote]

But what "terrorist acts" have the Palestinian detainees supposedly committed? Why are we supposed to take Israel's word for it  that they are terrorists when they are never charged? "Administrative detention" is a secret process and rife with abuses. How is it different from what Hamas did? What "terrorist act" did Dr. Al Bursch or Mosab Abu Toha commit? Both were abducted by Israel and tortured. It appears Dr. Al Bursch was raped to death. For what? It is explicitly racist to trivialize these human rights abuses while excoriating Hamas for what they did on 10/7. And we know Israel has an unwritten policy of extrajudicial executions of journalists. That, too, is no better than what Hamas has done. 
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The allegations regarding the rape of Dr. Al Barush are by Francesca Albanese, an incredibly corrupt member of the UN accepting expensive free trips from pro-Hamas groups and she never disclosed her husband's ties to the Palestinian authority, the group that does pay for slay of Jews. If you have a more credible source, I would like to see it (and not Al Jazeera funded by Qatar).

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Of course, Francesca Albanese is accused of corruption. Ad hominems are commonly used to throw up a smokescreen around Israel's crimes against humanity. We already know that the IDF physically abuses and rapes detainees. If Dr. Al Bursch was not raped, why not release his body? Why not explain openly to the world how a formerly healthy man died in Israeli custody? The cloud of secrecy around his death is obviously suspicious. It would be easier to establish some credibility for Israel if we hadn't seen so much video of Israeli soldiers blatantly abusing Palestinians and if Israel were more candid about the fate of its captives. If Al-Bursch was not raped to death, why not invite Palestinian doctors to attend his autopsy so we can all know the truth? What is there to hide?[/quote]

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