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Wow.

You know what? It's OK that nobody here respects the hijab. Why is it OK? It's OK because so many posters here have said they will defend your right to wear whatever you want.

Your problem is that you want us to take it a step farther: you want us to respect and admire hijab. Which, as you can see, just isn't going to happen. You're actually part of the problem here, because your arguments, rather than being persuasive, apparently seem sexist and frankly bizarre (hair is a sexual weapon???) to many here.

So your frustrated that you haven't won live for the hijab. But what do you do? You're so darn frustrated and angry that you resort to as hominems that make you look frustrated. You even pull the race card where none exists with your clumsy mixing of the geographical and cultural sense of "western", which I sort of get because you clearly want to establish some sort of moral high ground, but in this case your semantics games are too transparent to work, sorry.[/quote]
Of course it's OK - it's not like anyone's feelings matter, not mine, and not yours.

Incidentally, I don't cover and don't believe in any god at all.  But hey, my heart still brims with gratitude that you're willing to die on the hill of my rights.  Also with amusement that you manage to paint a picture of your opponent that suits your narrative without a shred of evidence.

I don't want you to respect and admire hijab; it frankly doesn't matter to me.  All I want is to point out your hypocrisy when you look at a Muslim woman with your big earnest eyes and say, really, I want to understand, whyyyy? whyyyy?   And she says, I cover because I feel my hair has sexual power and I'd rather not show it.  That's her why.  And instead of withdrawing like a normal person who says, ok, not for me, I don't get it but to each her own, you throw yourself into the most ridiculous argument of the century telling her she shouldn't feel that way, that men have hair too, some men have long hair, some dude years ago used to powder his wig, and really, the most irrelevant things ever.   What do you think is gonna happen? A Muslim lady is going to slap her forehead and say, glory be! I see the light and DCUM showed it to me!

You don't want to hear what the other feels.  You are just interested in your soapbox.  And it's kind of comical how you don't see it.

And yeah, you did use "Western" and "Muslim" as opposites. It's OK. Own it.

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Wow.  Ok.  So, I am a different poster and I "get" that some women wearing hijab feel their hair has "sexual power," but as someone who has lived in the Middle East I think the reality is far, far more complicated than that.  I think a lot of posters feel it is more complicated than that.  Namely, a lot of bad, weird things happened in my parents' home country when women started wearing the hijab en masse, and I guess you have to have lived through these cultural changes to be alarmed by them and a little distressed.  I don't want to "save" Muslim women, nor do I disrespect them as people.  I think the societal changes that led women in the middle east to take off head coverings en masse, and then put them back on again, are very interesting.  How could you not?  I understand that there are many different reasons for wearing the hijab.  But I guess you just think we are all hypocritical Islamophobes, so carry on.  Not sure why you feel the need to read a thread you are so aggravated about.[/quote]

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