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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Eh. Democrats have wanted to racially gerrymander for perceived political advantage.

There are obvious, race neutral ways to get rid of gerrymandering.

Call me when someone starts pushing that option. [/quote]

Is it race neutral what the southern red states are doing now? Eliminating black representation out of proportion to population?[/quote]

Look, the very first thing Any Klobuchar’s anti-gerrymandering bill did was protect VRA mandated gerrymandered districts.

If people are being serious about eliminating gerrymandering, just mandate that state-level HoR delegations are allocated by party vote at the state level. Thus, if Alabama votes 60/40 Republican/Democrat, then the state delegation is proportionally 60/40. Inverse the proportions for Massachusetts.

1.  You would need to figure out rounding.

2.  This clearly preserves the INTENT of the VRA in a race neutral way.

3.  This clearly protects the Constitutional allocation system that gives the smaller states marginally more weighted representation.

4.  Bonus: this would actually make electoral fights about courting and moving voters in the middle, not the extremes.

I’m some random dude on the internet.  If I can figure this out, then certainly the people in Congress have already figured it out. But they aren’t pushing for this solution because everybody is just trying to maximize partisan advantage in their own way. [/quote]

Yes, the people in Congress have figured it out. The problem is the GOP like having their built in advantages and are not interested in fairness or anything having to do with a functioning democracy (or republic)[/quote]

Yes, the second clause of Klobucher’s preserving VRA mandated racial gerrymandering was just a just a happy coincidence, right?

This isn’t a GOP or Dems as-the-bad-guy issue. They are both doing it for partisan advantage. If you really want to get rid of gerrymandering then do it in a race neutral manner. [/quote]

Dems do. They supported a ban on gerrymandering. Every Congressional republican voted against it. So try again.[/quote]

No, Dems do not. Claude 2 of the gerrymandering bill you referred to was this:

“Districts shall comply with the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (52 U.S.C. 10301 et seq.), including by creating any districts where, if based upon the totality of the circumstances, 2 or more politically cohesive groups protected by such Act are able to elect representatives of choice in coalition with one another, and all other applicable Federal laws.”

In other words, this bill preserved VRA mandated gerrymandering while outlawing all other forms of gerrymandering.

As I stated above, there are obvious race neutral anti-gerrymandering structures that both protect the intent of the VRA and forbid gerrymandering. That this bill explicitly protected some gerrymandering (that historically overwhelmingly benefits Dems) tells you the Dems are playing the same exact game. You are just buying into the framing. 
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You’re complaining that a proposed bill follows the law that was in place at the time.[/quote]

I am not comparing about it. I’m telling you it exposes the bill for what it really is: a power grab meant to disadvantage the opposition via mandated gerrymandering in very specific circumstances.

If Amy K was serious about ending gerrymandering there is an easy, obvious way to do it. But her party would have to give up the advantages it receives from gerrymandering.  She (and the party) are clearly unwilling to do that. [/quote]

DP.  The real benefactors of gerrymandering are the GOP.  Come on.  No way they could preserve their majority if voting districts were fair.[/quote]

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