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Your analogy is flawed.  I believe that the world owes me a comfortable living, where I am king.   However, my belief will do nothing to change the reality of life for me. [b] Justice is what our society and the people in it believe is just.[/b]  Societies administer justice and they don't particularly care about one individual's beliefs about fonts.  And as a practical matter, many types of philosophies have converged on some common social norms.[/quote]

What about other societies?  They also choose what is just for them.  And, yes, societies do not always care about what individuals believe about justice.  Can you live with the consequences of the materialist view of justice?

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Well of course.  Sometimes we have boycotts and wars and international aid and [b]war crimes tribunals[/b] for exactly that reason.

The question is not whether I can live with it.  We don't get to have universal justice merely because we really, really want it.[/quote]

Do you know what the Nuremburg (war crimes) Trials were based on?  Not the laws of Germany, obviously.  Famously, the defense argued that this was ex post facto prosecution, that the accused were following the rules in their own system.  The source of judgment for their actions came from a higher authority that prosecuted their crimes against humanity, their offenses against the dignity of human rights.

This is where hopeful nonbelievers would rejoice.  Precisely!  Individual nations may have flawed systems and judgments of justice, but international law is the higher authority that we need, an authority that protects human rights.

But what if the highest law in the world was applied by those who were [i]prosecuted[/i] at the Nuremburg trials?  What if those who had the ultimate authority on Earth did not think human rights were important?  What if their version of justice was that weak, sickly, or non-Aryan human beings "ought" to not exist?

Would that be justice?  Would it still be unjust to eliminate the genetically inferior, even if everyone on Earth believed it to be just?[/quote]

If water were dry, rather than wet, would it still be water?[/quote]

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