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No - both of which is [u]legal[/u].  Where in the world do you get that use of race in college admissions is illegal?[/quote]

No. You are wrong. Read what I said carefully. The Supreme Court has said that using race as A FACTOR is legal. [b]Racial Balancing is using race based quotas. That is illegal.[/b] and deliberately scoring Asians low on certain scores to bring their admission rates down so that you can balance your class racially is also illegal. [/quote]

Perfectly legal. And balancing, i.e., making sure all races are more proportionally represented is not a quota.  
You're talking out of the plaintiff's play-book here, and they will lose.  The use of race in the fashion Harvard is doing it to have a balanced class of the type students they want is perfectly legal.  [/quote]

That's nonsense. [b]MAKING SURE THAT A CERTAIN RACE IS [b]proportionally represented[/b] is the very definition of a quota[/b]. You cannot racially balance unless you have a quota in mind. Otherwise what does it mean to racially balance? And quotas are illegal. That is very clear. So when you say hey "2% blacks" is too less but "10 percent is ok" and I will shape my class based on that, you are enforcing a quota and the Supreme court has said that is illegal.

If you were not racially balancing your class, one year you would get 2% blacks, one year you would get 10%. Your number would depend on the applicant pool. [/quote]

No. A quota is what was at issue in [u]Bakke[/u]. The school set aside a specific number of spots for minorities. 
And read what I said: making sure [u]all r[/u]aces (not certain races) are [u]MORE[/u] proportionally represented is not a quota.  
This is not a case involving quotas [/quote]

Don't be disingenuous. [b]More Proportional representation [/b]is not possible without quotas and Bakke ruled that quotas are illegal. [i]More representation is possible[/i] which is affirmative action and is allowed under Bakke under some circumstances specially for diversity. The second you bring proportional into the picture you need quotas, because the very act of measuring proportional cannot be done unless you have a number to compare it with, which is a quota.

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Fine. You're obviously quite worked up over this, but you don't know what you're talking about. [/quote]

[b]Aww. The favorite tactic of a low IQ liberal. When all things fail, fall back on an ad hominem attack. So cute. Next you will be calling me a racist[/b]. [/quote]

no. I can't say it any more simply: the colleges' attempt to make their classes more proportionally representative using race as one factor is not the same as a quota. We can go round and round on this, but it would serve no further purpose. [/quote]
DP.. it's just a euphemism.  It doesn't matter that the intent is "diversity".  If the intent is to have a more representation from one group over another, how is that not affirmative action and quota based?  Let's say at some point there are "too many" Black students at Harvard, and they want more Hispanics.  They would have a cut off at some point and say, "we have enough Black students. Let's allow in some more Hispanics for diversity."   That's a quota. It may not be hard line quota, but it's a quota just the same. The target just may move around.[/quote]

This. Just because you call a Rose a Lily, doesn't make it so. Proportional representation college admission is quota based college admission[/quote]

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