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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Can someone please post the data that show white students are not going to college because black students took all their spots?

Thanks.[/quote]

Which poster said white kids aren't going to college because black kids took all their spots? [/quote]

There was a poster several pages back who said young white males were "harmed" by AA. Maybe that PP can explain what he meant by harmed.

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That was me.

By "harm," I mean pay a price for affirmative action policies. It's simple math. Let's say a med school, for example, has X number of slots and have determined that they want 15% of the entering class to be black (since 15% of the broader population is black.) In order to accomplish that, they need to drop their GPA cut-off to 3.3. No white male would get in with that stat and instead needs a 3.6.

Unfortunately (for the white guy), he earned a 3.5. He's rejected. If slots didn't need to open up for black kids with 3.3, in order to meet AA goals, the school could drop down to 3.5 for everyone, race not a factor, and the white kid would have passed the cut-off. This can play out at med schools throughout the country, and he has to give up his dream of being a doctor. I've seen this happen in two instances with bright, caring young white men.

Whether this sacrifice is worth it to have a diverse population among doctors is a separate area of discussion. But you can't deny that the white kid paid a price as a result of affirmative action policies.[/quote]

That's an interesting hypothetical, but in fact last year only 7% of students starting med school were black. So even with affirmative action, we can't get even close to a representative number of black students in med school.

https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/factstablea18.pdf[/quote]
The reason they couldn't get to the 15% is because there needs to be a hard cut-off at some point. You can't, for example, lower admissions standards to 2.8 (for blacks) in order to reach the goal. Otherwise, you are admitting students who are likely to fail the program. Still doesn't negate the point that when you have a finite number of slots with lower standards for Group A and higher standards for Group B, Group B pays a price.

I am also the PP who strongly supports AA policies, but based on income. This is more fair. And, as I've pointed out, if blacks are disproportionately poor compared to whites, they will still be benefiting from AA. [/quote]

Except the physician workforce is the perfect example of where race [u]matters[/u]. Studies have shown clear racial bias in the practice of medicine. Minorities are treated differently by white doctors, and the care they receive is worse. And studies have also shown that, on average, black patients have more trust in black doctors. (Can't blame them, given the racial bias in practice.)

We need a racially and ethnically diverse pool of physicians. That means we need to have a racially and ethnically diverse class of med students.[/quote]

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