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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Whats going to happen to the ECNL cheerleaders when MLSN stays BY, continues to be the top tier for boys youth soccer, and continues to grow? It will be entertaining to watch.

Reguarding MLSN p2p switching to SY. The ONLY reason I can see it happening is to make it easy for clubs to switch from ECNL to MLSN/GA. [/quote]

How else is mlsnext going to expand in the future? Clubs will switch to 8/1 for next year and then the following year or two say, just kidding! and switch back to 1/1?

Belittle it all you want with a Jan-July birthday. This is a mess if you have a son with an aug-December birthday at a high level at the ulittle ages. [/quote]

Unless it becomes the ultimate challenge. You are the best now -- can you hang at the BY-level?[/quote]
Its a 6 month difference between BY and SY. At the highest levels this isnt that big of a deal.

You assume that if MLSN stays BY that ECNL or whatever league will ever play against MLSN teams again. I'll let you in it wont happen. MLS clubs will host their own BY tournaments which SY teams will be welcome to attend but YOU'LL be forced to play 6 months up.

If players want to play professionally they'll be forced to play for MLS at some point or get ignored. Even if you want to play in college you're in a better position to get noticed playing for MLS than other leagues. Lather rinse repeat and this will keep growing.

Other leagues are like swimming upstream if you want to play at the next level. MLS is live going upstream in a motorboat. Which in the end allows for more opportunities.[/quote]

Yeesh, you are still lobbying hard for your July kid.  Better get on meds now before the hammer drops and all your BS hits you in the face.[/quote]
I actually think MLSN p2p might switch to SY. But not because SY is in any way better than BY. I think it would make it easier for all the ECNL clubs that want to switch to MLSN/GA. If you dont have this switching leagues would require redoing all the rosters.[/quote]
Actually the more I think about it the more it makes sense for MLSN to let p2p clubs choose if they want to be BY or SY. The only catch would be that Events and League would be BY. This way everyone gets what they want and if clubs want to stay closer to SY because they like to play against those teams  in tournaments fine. It will make things a little more difficult in MLSN league and events but playing up 6 months isn't that big of a deal. With biobanding whats the difference?[/quote]

I heard that was what was told to clubs back in June. [/quote]
The problem with this approach is if some of MLS is BY and the other group is SY its going to naturally create a 1st tier and 2nd tier. If this is going to happen you might as well just split out the MLSN p2p teams into their own league.[/quote]

I don’t think it was well thought out and hopefully not what they are going to do. We heard rumors about the two MLSN clubs in our area at that time, both rumored to be doing opposite things. Might as well just sign Jan-July to one and aug-dec to the other. [/quote]
MLS p2p clubs want the association with MLS because it brings in all kinds of players.

But.... They also want to keep doing things the way that customers (players) are running away from. Seems like the MLS p2p club owners are used to getting what they want and dont care if its what players want.

Eventually MLSN will create a seperate p2p league that p2p clubs can wear the badge but not actually field teams with players that are looking to play professionally.[/quote]

You are making even less sense than usual today. Maybe take a nap.
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First they ignore you
Then they laugh at you
Then they fight you  <---- you are here
Then you win [/quote]

No.  I am definitely laughing at you; and will now go back to ignoring you.[/quote]
Watch what happens. MLS only wants a big pool of players to choose from for Homegrown. If all the p2p clubs want to change yo SY thats fine. But, they're only separating themselves from the pro pathway.[/quote]

You really believe that the p2p clubs are a pro pathway?[/quote]
I believe MLS p2p clubs are a pool of potential talent MLS homegrown can pull players from. I get that MLS HG pulls from everywhere but MLSN p2p clubs will have more opportunities and club connections to be identified.[/quote]

I don’t think you understand the landscape the way you think you do. Your terminology is not making sense.[/quote]
I believe that MLSN is going to split appart at a BY/SY line. Homegrown will stay BY and P2P will be a seperate SY league.[/quote]

And that’s why I don’t think you understand how mlsnext is structured. Homegrown has P2P clubs in it. Most of homegrown is P2P clubs. [/quote]
I realize this but it doesn't matter if there's a group of P2P clubs that want SY it makes sense to seperate the top teams as BY and everyone else or at least the p2p clubs that want SY into their own leagues. What this will do is create a tier 1 league thats BY and tier 2 league thats SY.

This is where I see things going. The MLS tier 1 league and tier 2 league teams can still play each other but one team would be playing up 6 months. Which could be addressed via biobanding.

Its also advantageous to have both a BY and SY league because it would make it easy for ECNL, etc teams to switch over to MLSN/GA.[/quote]

Hey, you don’t have even a minimum knowledge of how MLSNext two divisions are composed.

Please stop embarrassing the forum with your nonsense. Prior to anything first take your time to learn the elemental details of how current MLS Next is structured.

Thanks.[/quote]
I'll just save this post for later.[/quote]I'm going to give the original PP on this one latitude because MLSN did it to themselves. They essentially have their academies play in their own league but for marketing include the P2P also under the Homegrown label where no one is really homegrown and they essentially play in different leagues, heck the league exists to better be able to pouch and they called in Homegrown. Then under the 3rd tier after academies and then P2P in Homegrown they call the league Academy which has been subcontracted out to NAL. Then they have a 4th level called NAL, I think this one isn't so clear. So take up confusion with MLSN.[/quote]
Well thank you...

What do you think will happen next if a group of MLSN p2p clubs keep pushing for SY? If both groups "the BY crowd" and "the SY crowd" get their way the end result will be seperate MLS leagues.

Also it makes sense for MLS to have a SY league so ECNL clubs switching over to MLSN/GA can do so without changing rosters from SY to BY.[/quote]

He's saying they (MLSN P2P and the real MLSN Academies) are already in separate leagues (and yes, they basically are)... I do agree that MLSN themselves have made this discussion insane because of their decisions to call 'new' things terms that already existed in their own ecosystem. It would be like ECNL creating a 3rd league under RL and calling it National League. So I don't fault you on struggling with the names either.   [/quote]
All I'm saying is that if theres a significant number of MLSN clubs that want SY it would make sense to create a seperate league for this. The SY league would automatically become tier 2 or tier 3. Which in ECNL terminology would be the ECRL league.

What's causing issues for MLSN is that they're trying to be everything to everyone. Eventually if they keep scaling they'll need to create tiers/divisions. Making the lowest tier/division SY solves a lot of probelms.

The downside of this approach is that there would need to be enough MLSN SY clubs that are reasonably close to each other.[/quote]

You’d be hard pressed to find enough p2p mlsnext 1 (sticking with numbers for the sake of clarity) that want to stay BY. There may be a few… doing something different in a saturated market, aligning with academies to continue to sell that dream) but it wouldn’t be enough to split mlsnext 1 and create a separate league. Mlsnext 1 teams are already spread out and the travel is insane, no way they can differentiate any further.

What could happen is the mls academies (affiliated mls clubs, not mlsnext 2) are BY and mlsnext 1 p2p is SY. That’s been discussed many times before on here. [/quote]

They could rebrand MLsN2 to be MLSN school year. It already is only part of the year and allows HS ball. Makes perfect sense to just switch to SY and sell it as the MLSN version of ECNL.

Of course that breaks the idea that MLSN2 is some sort of pathway to MLSN but only naive u13 parents currently believe that. [/quote]

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