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You're changing the debate ... the question is not about rape generally - I haven't seen anyone dismiss the severity of the sexual assault problem - the question is about the veracity of this particular story and the claims that we should be "rioting in the streets" and altogether ignoring the possibility that this one incident is in fact a misrepresentation or potentially a complete fabrication.  [b]Thus far in a court of law there is a lot of hearsay and not a lot of evidence.[/b][/quote]

Actually thus far in a court of law there is nothing.

Now, if there were something in a court of law, and if I were a judge or a lawyer involved in that court of law, then I would certainly be bound by the rules of evidence. But there isn't, and I'm not, and I'm not.

Meanwhile, we're back to the same paradoxical belief that women should report rapes, [b]but when women do report rapes, w[/b]e shouldn't believe them. Do you think that this is a possible explanation for the fact that many women don't report rapes? I think it is.

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well that's really the question isn’t it: is she “reporting a rape,” or making a false accusation?
It’s a very serious charge, both sides have to be treated fairly and equally.
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I'll put you down in the "women should report rapes, but we should assume they're lying" camp.[/quote]

please don’t.  The presumption should not cut either way.  [b]Both sides should be treated fairly and respectfully[/b] until all the facts come out.[/quote]

You obviously do not know how rape investigations work.[/quote]

so I’ll put you down in the camp of those assuming the investigation will be botched and her allegations will not be taken seriously.[/quote]

Will be is in the future tense. Was botched... yes it WAS botched. [b]As soon as the university knew about the rapes[/b] they should be required reporters like every other teacher/administrator. I am not sure why Universities are not required reporters.

The investigation is so tainted at this point there is nothing the police can do, they can't "botch" what is already a FUBAR...  they evidence is gone, destroyed.

I don't care how seriously the police take an investigation, they will not bring charges against somebody if they know they can not win it in court. They might just charge the guys to satisfy public opinion on this one case but they will not be tried or convicted on "witness testimony". [/quote]

There you go again. Whether there was a rape is a legal conclusion.  You probably mean once the university knew about the rape [i]allegations[/i][/quote]

NO. I mean rapes. You do know that UVA students have admitted to RAPE and the university felt bad telling the police after they were nice enough to apologize to their victim.

UVA administration KNOWS THAT GIRLS ARE RAPED, HAVE CONFESSIONS and do not report it to the police. [b]That is criminal[/b]. [/quote]

What law, statute, or ordinance requires UVA or anyone else to report an allegation or confession to the police?  What law do you think UVA, in this case, is violating?

Has the school told these women that they are prohibited from going to the police?

Also, I can only imagine the outcry if the university (or any university) took the decision out of the (alleged) victim's hands and reported it to the police without her permission.  The ultra feminists would say that the school is treating her like a child and not an adult, that the school is too paternalistic, that the school is re-victimizing the woman, making public a very private matter, etc.  It isn't like the police are going to keep it a secret or confidential matter.

I am not defending any insitution.  I am simply saying that it isn't as simple as some people here (the ones who seem to want universities to set up firing squads any time a female student alleges a sexual assualt, without any fact finding or discovery of any potential other point of view) want to make it.  [/quote]

It's moral law, one they obviously don't teach at UVA... you obviously missed that in your years of education. Like I said, Universities SHOULD be required reporters like all other teachers/doctors/school administrators/nurses and every other profession in the world that is required to report suspicion of abuse.

Yes. The university has been found to have lied to the women and told them that campus was not in the jurisdiction of the police.

UVA has had many efforts (though now I think it is to save face) on how to make a report when a girl is in an abusive relationship thanks to the efforts of Yardley Love"s family. But when a girl goes to the University to report being abused, nothing.

I don't want the university to do anything but to provide emotional support and call the police and keep their mouths shut so a real investigation can be conducted. I don't want universities to be able to "investigate" or even discuss the report because all they do is warn the boys that they need to lawyer up. If the girl is lying the police will find out and the boy can report her to UVA and have her apologize. [/quote]

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