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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Russiagate. President Trump first oresidenicy was basically an attack on him. It was horrible and not true. You do not have to like him to conclude that we cannot be going after people based on politics.[/quote]

Here's the problem with "Russiagate" -

I am not a Trump supporter.  I hate the guy.  I've hated the guy since the 1990s, when he was a notorious scammer and con man known to us working in land development in the NYC area.

But that said I have never believed he knowingly or intentionally colluded with Russia.  I don't believe he takes orders from the Kremlin, and am skeptical of suggestions that Putin is blackmailing him etc.   But that said I DO think there are two problem areas:

1. Russia ABSOLUTELY DID try to manipulate our elections, through social media, disinfo campaigns et cetera - and they continue to do so now.

2. Trump may well have unwittingly and unknowingly colluded with Russia by being their useful idiot for going along with some of the themes and sentiments that were part of the Russian disinfo/propaganda meddling in our elections.

So I agree when people say "Trump did not collude with Russia" - to the extent that he probably did not overtly or knowingly do so.

But I DISAGREE with people who want to just proclaim "Russiagate is not a thing" and slam the book shut on Russian interference or claims that Russia did not help Trump get elected, because there's plenty of evidence of Russia's meddling.  And what's additionally problematic there is that Trump got so hysterical over the "Russiagate" stuff that he refused to so much as even allow it to be looked into during his term, leaving us open to even more Russian meddling and interference.

I refuse to close the book on it and you need to adjust your thinking and definition beyond "Trump directly colluded with Russia" if you want to deal with truths.[/quote]

Yes, Russian interference is well documented and has happened against nearly all developed countries. Brexit was partly a result of Russian malfeasance during the campaign, for example.

It's true Trump did not collude. Same for Hillary Clinton and her emails, Hunter Biden and his laptop. None of these things are true.
And the purported Epstein assassination is another.
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The issue isn't just whether Epstein was assassinated, but whether he was encouraged or simply allowed to commit suicide.  His situation should have prevented him from committing suicide, so at a minimum some negligence, perhaps intentional, was involved.[/quote]

But this is what happens to normal people in prison, PP. He just didn’t get special treatment, that’s all. And that’s fine with me. [/quote]

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