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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240517-vision-zero-how-europe-cut-the-number-of-people-dying-on-its-roads

Interesting article about the origins of Vision Zero.  It is very different than what it has transmogrified into.  For instance, the very first project was removing concrete barriers.  One of the other differences is that roads are defined according to their main use.

In short, the Connectict Ave plan goes against the very ideas it is supposed to represent.[/quote]

Exactly.  Under the classification system, Connecticut Avenue has the highest use classification (major arterial) short of limited access highways in DC.  The problem is that by constraining Connecticut, DDOT would divert and squeeze more thru traffic, including trucks, into narrower collector streets and m very narrow “local” (lowest classification) streets in adjoining neighborhoods.

That’s definitely not Vision Zero but it might reflect zero vision.[/quote]

There is no planet where Connecticut Avenue in DC is anything close to a "limited access highway" - you are doing a lot of work there conflating classifications.[/quote]

No conflating anything.  Connecticut has the highest functional classification in upper Northwest, "major arterial," aside from the Whitehurst and short I-66.  Outside of these highways, Connecticut and the other major arterials are the roads that are supposed to carry the major thru traffic between Maryland, uptown Northwest and the western part of downtown Washington.  [b]Constraining Connecticut's capacity will divert a lot of cars and vehicles on to streets that were not planned or build for such traffic loads.[/b]  Recall an experiment about 10 years ago to constrain Wisconsin Ave between Massachusetts Ave and Burleith.  It did not end well but because the construction involved flexible pylons, it was relatively easy to address the resulting gridlock and diversion by reversing and removing the new road configuration.  Connecticut bike lanes would be constructed for permanence, making them more difficult and far more costly to fix.[/quote]

This is not what the DDOT study said. What the DDOT study said is that MD commuters would use OTHER ARTERIALS and Metro instead of Connecticut Avenue. And this has been pointed out repeatedly and yet opponents of the bike lanes CONTINUE to repeat this lie again and again.[/quote]
One of the other major arterials that DDOT said would absorb the traffic was Beach Dr. Then the cycling advocates succeeded in keeping Beach Dr closed and as a result the DDOT study, as flawed as it was, became worthless.

The changes that DDOT have already made to remove the reversible lane and remove the rush hour parking restrictions have increased travel times along Connecticut significantly. I[b]t can now commonly take over 1 hour to go from Military to Dupont[/b]. This is the exact opposite of what transportation planning should be doing, which is improving safety and efficiency. Add the bike lanes and Connecticut becomes worthless.

This won’t encourage people to bike, but it will encourage people to move to places that are more convenient. [/quote]

Over an hour, to drive four miles? That's terrible! I hate how slow and inconvenient driving is. No wonder nobody wants to drive. Have people considered transportation modes that would be faster and more efficient than driving? For example, Metro. Or buses in bus lanes. Or bicycling in bike lanes! Or walking.[/quote]
It’s interesting that by making traffic miserable that you think it will convince people to ride a bike rather than just moving to a different location where the government is not doing it’s best to make your life as inconvenient as possible.

You can see this reflected in the stagnant home prices in CCDC and Barnaby Woods versus what’s happening across Western Avenue. [/quote]

Home prices aren't stagnant in CCDC or Barnaby Woods and CC MD isn't experiencing anything noticably different.  Houses are listed on a Saturday and usually under contract by Tuesday and are going for $100k+ over asking...the mix of homes for sale at any point in time has a significant impact on median prices.  Why would living in CC MD be any different if you have to commute downtown...other than be just that much farther so the commute is that much longer.  Also, there are tons of threads of how angry people are about the MoCo government.

Also, whoever said it takes an hour to get from Military to Dupont is completely full of it.  I drive that all the time and it has literally never taken that long with the exception of an afternoon snow storm or there is an accident that shuts down a portion of CT Avenue for a couple of hours.[/quote]

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