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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]“ a)I want the right to complain about something without my motives being questioned each and every time I make any type of complaint. 
b) I want some consensus or rational standard for what is racist and what is not because we sure as hell don't have it now.

The alternative is we talk this through, somehow. But that doesn't happen anymore, anywhere. And if people think they are right and everyone else is wrong, so shove it, don't be so surprised next time someone shoves back.“

You sure don’t like free speech.  Maybe start with understanding what that means. Expect pushback, expect people to question your motives. Expect people to ask you why you don’t think something is racist if you loudly protest that it isn’t. Seriously. Listen to yourself. You want consensus? Geez.  Not gonna happen. So many mental gymnastics because you can’t admit that maybe you were blind.  [/quote]
Seriously, you are full of it.  NOBODY was interested in a serious discussion on this thread.  And nowhere else too.  OF COURSE I expect pushback.  And the way shove, you'll get a harder pushback next time.  I told you what I want, and still think I didn't mean it.  That's your blindness, which you can't admit yourself either.  As long as you do that, people will do it to you, worse and worse each time.  Where does end?  None of you seem to have thought about that.  Time for you to self reflect. [/quote]

You don’t seem to understand what I wrote.  You said you want to complain without anyone questioning your motives. That’s not how free speech works. You want a consensus on what racism means, also not how freedom of thought works. The books have really questionable and racist content in them, if you’ve even looked. If you have and don’t see it, expect a lot of people to disagree.[/quote]
I did look.  The point is that anyone who does question it gets called racist or otherwise doing something dufferent, not given an explanation.  Read this thread if you think you are doing something different.  If that's how you choose to use your free speech that's up to you of course.  Good for you.  You struck a blow against racism.  Yeah, right.  [/quote]
Holy haddock, you just want an explanation why stereotypes are racist? JFC, you could have just asked that question. Here’s a good explainer: https://www.verywellmind.com/harmful-psychological-effects-of-racial-stereotyping-5069394 TLDR: everyone stereotypes (it’s evolutionary! brains like shortcuts!). But stereotypes can become generalizations. Left unexamined, these generalizations can affect how we actually treat people in the real world. So ask yourself: do we really need stereotypes in children’s books? [/quote]
There is no evidence that seeing this type of image causes racist behavior.  The article said that, pointed out some plausible examples, many of which were overt messages rather than just pictures, but did not provide any real evidence because.  It's all totally subjective. It's their own stereorype about how people form stereotypes. Even when you look in the academic literature.  I looked, it isn't their and they admit the standard is subjective, so the academics just decide based on their own subjective guess then try to convince others they are right.

So get either get me a rational standard or admit it's subjective.
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My bad. I thought you were asking in good faith. I should have known better than to try to engage with someone who knows everything and has nothing to learn.[/quote]
No you did not believe you were speaking to someone acting in good faith.  I disagreed with the article and you just can't handle that.  You don't bieve such a good faith disagreement is possible,  which means you had bad faith all along.
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No, truly I thought you might read something about an issue that you indicated you were ignorant of. It’s not just that you disagreed with the article, it’s that you just glibly dismissed it because you’re looking for some totally objective definition. But only you are the arbiter of objective, because again, you know everything and have nothing to learn. Even though studies repeatedly show that subjective stereotypes contribute to objectively worse outcomes, you know it everything.

So the next time someone calls you a racist, please know: you’ve earned it![/quote]
I didn't earn it, I was already racist because of the color of my skin.

Also, you made assumption that I didn't know about that.  I did actually.  I already looked into the basis of the ideas, concluded they have insufficient research, therefore no authority.[/quote]

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