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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Holy. Shit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/laurenduca/status/739505679635992577[/quote]

Actually, the father is correct.

Both of them were drunk. Both.  She was so drunk, she had no idea of anything, and didn't come-to until she was in the hospital, with no recollection. She was black-out drunk. While no one deserves to be raped, she placed herself in a very dangerous state. I do want to know where her friends were, where her sister was, where ANY responsible person was  - probably drunk themselves. It would have been a cold day in hell, in college, when I would have left one of my friends (or a perfect stranger) alone,  that dangerously drunk.

His son, in his drunken state, assaulted this girl. Very, very wrong. He IS taking responsibility for his actions. What disturbs me, is not only is she NOT taking responsibility for her own stupidity, but she has all the pity in the world. The net result of that is the message that people can get as stupid-drunk as they want and expect NO harm to come of them. That is NOT a message I have EVER given my children, and ever will.

This statement from the victim? “You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today,” she read in court from her victim impact statement,

What kind of worth does one have when one is so drunk, one can't even function? What kind of confidence? What kind of intimacy?

And this? "I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me."

She completely brushes aside her responsibility in becoming a 'wounded antelope'.

The judge did good in this case.[/quote]

[b]Probably in the minority on this forum but I completely agree with you.  And for her to equate her experience with that if someone who is raped by a stranger (i.e. Pulled off the sidewalk without warning and raped with life threatened) trivializes the latter's assault.  These crimes are absolutely different.[/quote][/b]

Rape is rape. I wasn't pulled off a street by a random but I was drugged and carried unconscious up to his dorm room. You think my experience in the aftermath of my rape is different bc I was drinking that night or bc I left my beer unattended with someone I thought was a friend? The only thing that makes my experience different than the violent stranger rape you describe, is that people like you would blame me for thinking I should be able to go out and have a beer w/o getting raped. Actually, people like you would probably also blame a victim of stranger rape for their clothing or the hour they were walking around at night. This woman was so drunk that she passed out unconscious. he was rejected by other more coherent women's that night - he chose her bc she couldn't fight back. Let me repeat, rape is rape. [/quote]

The key point is that those other women rejected him and he backed off.  He was not trying to force himself on anyone.  And Emily Doe was not exactly a babe in the woods herself.  She willingly left with this guy and she probably would have willingly engaged in sexual acts with him if she had not passed out.  But she did pass out and he kept going...an obvious sexual assault.

This was going to be a regrettable night for Emily Doe whether she met up with this guy or not.  If he had just backed off and left her alone she STILL would have been passed out behind a dumpster like a skid row bum.

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He backed off because the other ones verbally rejected him. Daunted, he just went and found a girl who wasn't in great condition so he could take advantage of her, which he did. Please stop acting like he was some fine gentleman who called on ladies who were otherwise occupied and went about his merry way. He was a rapist who sought a victim and found one. [/quote]

She was a college grad (or drop out) who had been to plenty of these parties before.  I really don't see her as the "wounded antelope". I see him as a drunk, horny guy who jumped at the chance to leave a party with a woman with the purpose of having consensual sex.   [b]He didn't drag her out of there, they left together and probably fooled around a bit until she passed out. [/b] Instead of stopping he assaulted her.

Rapists generally don't go around parties making their intentions to rape clear to every woman there.  But guys looking to hook up with willing women are a bit more obvious.  Every woman at that party knew that this guy wanted action.  And Emily Doe left with him...she probably was open to some action herself.  But that ceased to be the case when she no longer knew what was happening to her.

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see there is no way you can know this.  we DON"T KNOW how they ended up behind the dumpster.  [/quote]

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