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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I will vote for it or abstain. This initiative is going to backfire. Anyone who votes for it cannot object to gerrymandering ever again in this or any other state ever again even if this a rare case of being temporary. Voting for this is condoning Texas.

If you fight fire with fire, you’re gonna get burned one way or another. [/quote]

Correction: I want to vote yea to stop Trump, but will likely abstain. Condoning this is condoning MAGA tactics. 
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That sounds nice, but you need to realize that there is not a trick too dirty, no bar too low for MAGA. They will do whatever it takes to keep Dems from voting, so they can avoid repercussions for their actions.

They will spend 1.5 trillion a year to murder Iranian school children, while American children go hungry and can’t afford health care. They will spread hate and murder using Christ’s name. They will put insanely unqualified white men in positions of power while claiming the accomplishments of women and POC are due to affirmative action. If you’re okay with that, then don’t vote.[/quote]

PP, you are off topic. This thread is about gerrymandering. If you’re good with it, then you have no right to complain about how MAGA goes about business. NONE. My respect for so-called Democrats dies a little more each week You’ve done nothing to convince me that this will be temporary (even if MAGA is extinguished) as it is currently being sold.

We lose either whether this passes or not. My vote does not matter. [/quote]

We already lost when Republicans refused to ban gerrymandering.

The goal now is to limit the damage they can do.

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OMG. Youve fallen into their trap. [/quote]

Did you forget that it was the Dems who were against the 2020 amendment to ban gerrymandering right here in VA? Despite their push, it passed in a landslide. Interestingly, Arlington was the only jurisdiction across the stater that had a majority vote against it. So spare us all the righteous indignation.

https://virginiamercury.com/2020/06/24/virginia-democratic-party-urges-voters-to-defeat-redistricting-reform-amendment/[/quote]

You are misrepresenting what happened. Shocker.

Ds strongly supported a ban on gerrymandering via an independent, nonpartisan redistricting commission. Which is NOT what this amendment was -- it heavily favored Republicans via courts, which is [u]exactly[/u] how it played it.

GFY [/quote]

GFY? Classy!

I'll assume your childish response was directed at the left-leaning Virginia Mercury since I posted a link that lays out exactly what happened. To quote the article:

"Democrats have shifted course after their elected legislators overwhelmingly supported the same proposal in 2019. That was before they took control of the General Assembly, winning the power to redraw the maps themselves under the state’s existing redistricting system."

So shocker, when they were in the minority, they supported the amendment (the SAME amendment), but when they got back in power they flipped and went against it. Sounds like history is repeating itself again. [/quote]

No, it was directed at the PP who misrepresented what happened.

You seemed to leave out the reasons why some Ds opposed it: 
"Democratic critics of the proposal point out that it was their party that pushed truly independent, nonpartisan redistricting commissions year after year only to see them blocked by Republican majorities."

And exactly as they predicted, the commission couldn't agree and it fell to the conservative Supreme Court of Virginia to decide. 
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Even classier than I thought then. Congrats!

No, I did not leave out their excuses for flip flopping. It was right there in the article if you bothered to read it. The fact remains, the Dems supported the amendment, as it was written, in 2019 when they were in the minority. Once in power they changed their tune. That's irrefutable.

Also, your claim that the result "heavily favored Republicans" is completely laughable. Since the new maps went into effect, Ds have held 6 congressional seats and Rs 5. In those 2 races, Virginians have voted roughly 51-52% D and 47-48% R. That's called "fairness" (the real kind, not the BS language Dems used in this current, anti-democratic amendment)

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Rs had no incentive to participate in good faith in a partisan panel since they knew it'd go to the conservative VA Supreme Court.  Which is EXACTLY what happened. Their predictions came true - Rs didn't participate in good faith and the Supreme Court decided both the GA and congressional maps.

Ds wanted to take partisanship out of the commission by appointing citizens instead of politicians. They were pushing for an [u]independent and non-partisan[/u] commission.

It's all irrelevant now. We are way past trying to push for "the right thing". We are now pushing to fight against the corruption and try to limit the damage of the repugnant Rs.

F MAGA.

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You can twist yourself into a pretzel all you want to try to justify what the Dems are trying to so. It does not change the fact that they overwhelmingly supported the current commission in 2019. Then, once in power in 2020, the Democratic Party of Virginia passed a resolution to push against the exact same amendment. One can draw their own conclusions as to why they did that, but it's pretty obvious. Luckily, that push failed and the referendum passed by a landslide, 2/3 vote.

It's fair to Virginians and it's been proven to work over 2 election cycles. Now Dems are back in power and they're looking to blow it up and gerrymander, using a ridiculous new congressional map, to pick up 4 more seats.

So I'll say it again, spare us the righteous indignation.[/quote]

I hope Rs in VA lose ALL representation in Congress. They've demonstrated that their vote can't be trusted.

F MAGAs.

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I fully expect that to happen if this passes. Richmond keeps talking about 10D and 1R, but it will be 11D 0R.[/quote]

Shhhh! Keep that under wraps! Loose ships sink ships, ya know!

The cat’s already out of the bag that this is just a power grab and the whole “restoring fairness” thing is a lie. Now they know the whole 10-1 thingy is too, and the goal is 11-0. Next thing you’re gonna do is admit to them that there’s no plan to actually make it temporary. So just keep it down and stop saying the quiet parts out loud!!![/quote]

So disingenuous. Shocker. 
 
It's a [u]response[/u] to the MAGA's power grab nationally.

Didn't hear you complaining about the Rs gerrymandering in TX, MO, NC, or UT.

F Trump. F MAGA.

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Disingenuous? Disingenuous is framing partisan gerrymandering as a move for “fair elections”

And just stop, already. Stop screaming about this being a response to Trump. It’s silly. Everyone knows that’s just the excuse. The Republicans are going to get their clocks cleaned this fall with or without Virginia Dem’s gerrymandering to grab 4 more seats. This is all just a classic Rahm Emanuel “never let a crisis go so waste” move.
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Except the huge difference here is it never would have happened without Texas putting it into motion.[/quote]

Sure, until they came up with another excuse.

As pointed out upthread, in 2019 when in the minority, the Dems overwhelmingly supported the bipartisan redistricting amendment. When they got back in power in 2020, the Democratic Party of Virginia passed a resolution to try to kill it. I’m sure i’ll be accused of being MAGA and “misrepresenting” what happened, but that’s exactly what happened. Obviously that push failed, but forward to today, and they got their 2nd chance. So don’t think for a second that this would never have happened without Texas. It almost did 6 years ago.

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Again...that was the once every decade push that literally every state does.

Once more, the massive difference this time around is that Texas did a redistricting outside of the 10 year census window.  Neither CA or VA had anything running through their legislatures nor was anyone even discussing it until Texas pulled the shit they pulled.

It's abundantly clear who put the idea in their head...Texas.  Go rail against them if you want your boogeyman.[/quote]

No. Every 10 years, every state does not have one political party come into power and try to torpedo an amendment to their state constitution that takes redistricting power out of their own hands and gives it to a bipartisan commission. An amendment that they overwhelmingly supported the year before when they were in the minority. Virginia Democrats did this in 2020. Thankfully that attempted power grab failed.

And I don’t disagree that what Texas did was BS. But I stand by my original point that it’s just the excuse VA Dems are now using this time around. It has nothing to do with “keeping our elections fair”. Everyone knows that. It’ a golden opportunity - the “crisis” that they’re definitely not going to let go to waste - and they’re pouncing on it [/quote]

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