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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The one part I am not sure how it will plan out are kid who are young for their team but a grade older than the other Q4s. For example, a September birthday who is in 6th grade. Do they stay with the 6th graders or have an option to play with 5th graders? If the intent is for school year alignment then it seems that there is two cascading criteria, but I am not sure if this is a hard or soft rule. Birthday and then school year or is really only based on your birthday.[/quote]
Clubs that want to set their players up for being recruited and playing in college will put young Aug/Sept birthday players on the team thats their grade in school.[/quote]So you are saying it is a soft rule (ie at the discretion of each club) vs hard. Does anyone know that for fact? I think this has a big part in the spirit of the conversation you are having with your kid.[/quote]
The way it worked pre 2017 (went clubs switched to BY) was the "better" higher level of competition clubs would always roster younger than the eligibility window players with their grade in school team. Other not as competitive clubs would let players play down a grade but everyone knew that if this player wanted to get recruited and play in college that they'd have to play up with their grade eventually. When this happens its usually easiest to switch clubs. So in the end it just makes more sense to roster young grade up players on the A or B team thats their grade in school.

One other thing, ten years ago there wasnt such a push by parents to redshirt and play down. In fact it was the opposite everyone wanted to play up which is sonehting US Soccer exploited to implement BY.[/quote]Wasn't true for my kids teams. All age based in SY.[/quote]
Were your clubs top teams DA at the time?[/quote]Can you point to a doc or website where DA played on grade instead of age?[/quote]
People weren't interested in playing down back then. It just wasnt something you ran into very often. If anything you'd hear about players playing up a grade and graduating HS early to play at some super college.[/quote]

If this was true, it was a flaw in the system, because it put some kids at a disadvantage, making them the youngest on the team, younger than other states. A very few may have battled through and became tremendous players as a result (known as the underdog effect), but it was at the cost of others who may have been decent prospects but cycled out of the sport as a result. Leaving it up to the clubs and families makes a lot of sense.[/quote]
If all players played on the same team this would be true. But because there's B team it doesn't make sense. You need to look more closely at all the RAE "proof" you cant live without. Almost all of it is geared to National Team selection only. Which means it doesn't consider B teams. [/quote]

Forcing grades will advantage certain states and disadvantage a lot of players just because they went to school "on-time". Dumb. It's why they go with age first, then flexibility. If a kid is good enough and if you're right when they are a sophomore they need to be playing on grade, they'd be savvy to switch then.[/quote]

That might be true at lower level clubs but at higher levels, the vast majority of players are not good enough to take a roster spot from a player on the top team a year up. So the idea that players are just going willy-nilly choose to play up a year is silly unless you are talking about lower level clubs. And if that is the case, who cares as they are not getting recruited from events anyway. [/quote]

Depends on the club and team. A team in a top league that struggles offers a lot of opportunity. OR, they just do some showcases at grade when they have coach/school to impress.[/quote]
Clubs, coaches, players and parents wont want oddball players from other teams guesting with their team. This wont work.[/quote]

Guesting happens all the time in soccer, especially if there are injuries. Adding a college prospect for a showcase maybe even makes sense to help a team win.[/quote]
Wins dont matter at showcases all that matters is the score was close and nobody wants guest players at showcase games.

The reason it doesn't make sense is the guest player would need to be communicating with college coaches 6-12 months in advance that they'll be guesting with XYZ team. Which they wouldn't know.[/quote]

When teams win, the players play more confident and better. That certainly makes a difference if you're trying to impress. Yeah, you don't get a trophy but it can help you win a scholarship.[/quote]
It really doesnt matter who wins a showcase game long as the game was competitive/close. (From a recruitment perspective)

This is because coaches might be playing certain players more than usual or start a different player than normal to give them playing time if they know a recruiter is watching [/quote]

Is the team showing or the individual players?[/quote]
Well, since college recruiters recruit players not teams you tell me which one is more important at a college showcase.[/quote]

Seems they were telling you teams don't get recruited [/quote]

I mean, yes and no. You need to be on a good enough team to get into most of the 'showcases' that actually matter. Being the star player on a bottom of the table MLSN team does very little for you and your recruiting pathway is almost as difficult as playing in any random league.

So yes, teams do help you get recruited. They get you to the showcase, they are the ones that have to have a good enough reputation for a college coach to decide to actually come and watch you play at a showcase. So while the end result is 'college recruiters recruit players not teams' is true, it is only a small part of the story.
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That's great nuance, but there's some posters on here who see everything as black OR white, right OR wrong, good OR bad, based on their own experience.[/quote]

Thanks! The problem is, from what I can see in this thread, 'their own experience' is actually [i]zero[/i] regarding college recruiting and they are just saying things they have heard or what they thinks makes logical sense (based on their limited youth soccer experience). And, what you 'hear' and what seems as if it should be 'common sense' will lead you down the wrong path...

This thread now seems derailed into a strange debate about RAE (not sure why) but please, anyone reading this, do not take any college recruiting lessons from this thread or really any thread on this board.  [/quote]

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